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#892225 - 19/07/09 01:38 AM Re: Link Vs Ball chains [Re: burning_ninja]
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As for the swinging hard as hell comment, there is some truth in that. It's not that I swing hard, I have two speeds slowmo and blindingly quick and I know that means a hell of a lot of centrifugal force applied to the chain but my technique is very refined, I myself have never broken a set of poi but I've had to dodge broken ones on a number of occasions, more so the ball chain but I will admit I have no idea what gauge it was or who made them, but I'll stick to chains thanks.
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#892231 - 19/07/09 02:25 AM Re: Link Vs Ball chains [Re: burning_ninja]
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Registered: 01/08/07
Loc: Geelong, Victoria, Australia!
Sorry for missing your comment up there, 8ill.

I can juggle but I don't juggle poi, my poi don't at current have counterweights.
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#892233 - 19/07/09 03:18 AM Re: Link Vs Ball chains [Re: Mother_Natures_Son]
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Registered: 17/06/09
Loc: Sydney, New South Wales, Austr...
On this topic, provided you're not pulling cars or some crazy crap like that, is there a real major disadvantage to ball chains or oval links? I don't want to be getting a new pair of chains on suspicion, and my ball chains are IMPOSSIBLE to tangle mid-spin. They just sort-of roll out of it.

It's not like I'm going to be spinning more than 10 revolutions per second (let alone reach 6 or 7 decently), and the heaviest I can imagine using is the 65mm monkey fists from here, and if I wanted to go heavier I'd probably go for a new set of chains altogether. I'm also not a fan of orbitals.
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#892279 - 20/07/09 11:29 PM Re: Link Vs Ball chains [Re: Tide]
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I don't know if you would count it as a major disadvantage but, I do find changing lengths during techniques to be more difficult and uncomfortable on the ball chain/wire.
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#892300 - 21/07/09 08:37 AM Re: Link Vs Ball chains [Re: burning_ninja]
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I find ball chains rather easy to wrap on my hands, and an added bonus I find is that there's no tension when unwrapping because the whole thing is a chain of swivels. Thanks for the answer!
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#892367 - 22/07/09 01:08 PM Re: Link Vs Ball chains [Re: Tide]
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I still say if only there was a way to make the stocking/sock poi flamable they're almost heaven to work with
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#892373 - 22/07/09 01:52 PM Re: Link Vs Ball chains [Re: burning_ninja]
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I am still happy with my ballchain, but want to upgrade to larger heads, so I think if I do then I will be going for oval chains for that.

I find the ball chains really easy to use, especially for orbitals. Saying that though I have never tried orbitals with oval chains. Would pval chains with swivles have the same spin time as ball chain, I am sure there is a thread about that somewhere... Off to the search button me thinks. I will say that they do seem rather fragile, but after trying to shorten them, I realised that they are a little tougher than they seem. But I don't doubt oval are more durable.

As Tide says they (ballchain) don't tangle easily... My conclusion thus far = Ball chains are decent for slow spinning with light heads. But I will definitely be upgrading when I get larger heads and weighted handles.
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#892381 - 22/07/09 04:27 PM Re: Link Vs Ball chains [Re: T-S-A]
Tide Offline
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That's my plan, as well. I plan to keep my ball chains for my cathedrals and future monkeyfists, but anything larger and I'll be ordering the oval chains.

On a quick note, what's the maximum weight that should be placed on a ball chain? I think somewhere I read 300g or higher is when you should deeply consider oval chains instead of ball chains.
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#892384 - 22/07/09 06:54 PM Re: Link Vs Ball chains [Re: Tide]
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Loc: Geelong, Victoria, Australia!
I'm not big on orbitals, but I prefer oval link(with ball bearing swivels) for orbitals because I can better adjust the length between the head and where the chains meet due to the chains not catching so much on one another.

I tend to find with oval link I might have one slightly longer than the other, resulting in failure, but if I'm using oval link I can adjust for this while sliding into the motion.

I have 160g heads (without fuel) and I wouldn't use ball chain with those.

300g is pretty heavy... the "gorilla fists" are 800g(unfuelled) and the wick is as big as malcolms head.

Do factor in the weight that the fuel will add into the equation.

I prefer to err on the side of caution, but I prefer oval link overall anyway.
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#892386 - 22/07/09 07:23 PM Re: Link Vs Ball chains [Re: Mother_Natures_Son]
Tide Offline
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Gorilla fists = lol
If you can weave with those things without breaking your arms, chains and a person who's watching, awesometastic props.

Anyway, I almost completely forgot about factoring fuel! Would you say it's closer to making the (total) weight 1.5 times the weight of the heads or 2.0 times?

EDIT!
I see this as kind-of important, because I like the ball chains and I don't want to unnecessarily abandon them, and I've had bad luck using oval chains of any sort.

EDIT!
I just checked the listed characteristics of the ball chains, it claims to be able to support up to 50ish kilograms.


Edited by Tide (22/07/09 08:28 PM)
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#892389 - 22/07/09 09:04 PM Re: Link Vs Ball chains [Re: Tide]
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That doesn't factor in wear. I haven't yet worked out how much the fuel adds... at a complete guess I'd say 1.5 but i do intend on doing some tests on that at some point.
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