Advanced staff juggling ... let´s go mad !!

25 mins drop free is hardcore!

I tried the 500 catches the other night and it was much too extreme! cause staff juggling throws are higher than clubs/ balls it takes forever to get 100 of catches!
Part of the huge number is so that you go into fatigue and boredom so the pattern is that much more concrete and ingrained in your muscle memory.

I think I'm going to set my sights on 100 throws ATM, but weill probably be back on here tomorrow cutting that number down again

Props again on 25 mins drop free!

Thanks for the compliments but its not as good as it sounds, there is patter, fire eating and Fire Breathing in there as well as throwing and catching 1,2&3 staffs, however for me its a big achievement and I hope to do it lots more times

Ethnobot, you make a good point about fire staff juggling, its a lots harder, there is the heat issue and if you are doing it at night which is more likely I guess, then its waaaaay harder. That's one of the reasons I try to be so clean when training because I know how hard it is at night.

The problem is made worse by the fact that most staff juggling patterns are easiest with your hands near the wicks, this give the extra leverage for the throw.

This is particularly relevant for backcrosses, club jugglers tell me they throw backcrosses from the very end of the club, if I tried that with a flaming staff it might burn a little...
I can easily get runs of 15-20 with 3 staff backcrosses in the gym but my hands drift way too close to the wicks for me to consider some serious training with them lit yet.

Regarding the number of catches that can be set as a good target, I think it varies on factor such
The type and number of props
The required result (fire/no-fire/performance/hobby/profession etc)
Individual preference
larger goals (improved concentration/more fun/hot chicks;))

having though about it a bit lalety i have decided to set varying targets in the hope that i get the tricks nice and clean whilst improving my stamina and concentration levels without getting to a point going backwards due to lack of focus or fatigue.
This seems easier said than done?!?!?!

The great Anthony gatto recently tweeted that his dad the Uber-great Nick Gatto said thirty clean catches was enough.
AG said he had no idea why 30 catches. But IMHO NG was possibly the best juggling skills coach that has ever lived so his advice has got to be considered.
Its more interesting when you think that AG performs with between 3 and 10 objects (I think?its very hard to count them!)

Anyway Im gonna aim for 50 then try and increase slowly

so, anyone know where to source the full version of 'juggling, staff only'? 6:42 is the longest, and it says 'short version of collaboration' etc. as crimbo is coming it'd be nice to know

if you can find the previous staff juggling thread in the beginners staff section....its in there
or try asking immakakode, he made the video and may have a link

I'm practicing about 3-5 mins of (hopefully) no drop non stop throwing, with using mostly normal cascade to improve endurance. Would be interesting to count throws/min amount in average some day

Only started working on backcrosses, not getting them solid for now. But I'm holding staff at about 1/3 length, elseway it touches ground or gets low moment if nearer to middle

Edit:
counted 60-80 throws per minute on normal cascade

sweet.

backcrosses are hard, it hurts your wrist when the staff hits the ground, or your face.

i do 100 throws a min with clubs so that sounds about right

I've managed 100 with staffs today, it's possible with lowering height

more than 3 staffs is painful

i set myself the goal of flashing five staffs this year and have already changed my mind and decided to get a solid 4 staff fountain.

4 staff shower absolutely destroys my shoulder, i can qualify it, but have absolutely no desire to due to pain.

5 staff (reverse casc) is a HUGE pattern with my 1m staffs, and heavy, even though my staffs are pretty light (thin aluminium, with 30cm wick on each end, and 2 inches of wood either end)
getting them all up is hard enough, let alone catching them.

i will get my 5 clubs much better before i attempt 5 staffs again.

happy ny all

does anyone know where the line is between a 'staff' and a 'baton'?

a leotard

I guess that makes me a batonist. Damn, at 1.6m I must have the freakin biggest baton in the world

ha ha, i've worn one once, but its not talked about

sorry ethnogen, I guess you better go and find a band to juggle in front of.
and 1.6 for staff juggling? really? thats longer than my contact staff!!

is any one else going to the ejc?

I am hoping to go, but not sure yet

wicked,
anyone else????

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Hey Konstantin

Nice to hear back from you, its great that we can chat and inspire each other.

Apologies for the messy message this morning, I had a lot of work to do for my business and was trying to fit this in with watching and commenting on your video. You seemed to understand it all so thats good

Seb is a great guy and has helped me a lot in the short amounts of time I have spent with him, he is also a big inspiration as both a staff juggler and a more positive commentator on hop and other places.

I have been working on two whole new sections of staff juggling and some singles and double throwing and catching for a good year or two now.

The staff juggling section includes, multiplexes, two in one hand variations, cascades and backcrosses. All hopefully combined into a new routine.

The other triple staff section I have been working on is staff juggling patterns combined with foot catches and flick-ups in various combinations, this is not as progressed as the other juggling section as its harder to train and requires more energy, but I can still do some cool new stuff that seems to be new to the staff juggling scene.

I'm also working on singles and doubles staff foot and hand variations, but again this needs more work.

I had planned to get it all clean and then get a nice new video edited with some nice music etc, but I will try and film some stuff tomorrow and get it online for you.

here is a video explaining the basic of backcrosses, i think in the long term you will find it much better to throw over the arm rather than under it......but I may be wrong, see what you think
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZZhek3RyMY

keeping your body straight with backcrosses is very difficult but it looks so much better and like you say the pattern is much more stable.

a final though is that from a performance point of view, stops are very important so if you can find some cool ways to stop then that's very useful.

Here is some more inspiration from one of the all time greats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhuN7vjGjmk

Tim,

Your message was clear, don't worry. My english isn't good enough to spot any messiness anyway

Multiplexes are an interesting point. Both 2 staffs in one hand and same time throws with 1 staff in each. I am using simple cascade 2 staff multiplex to start juggling sometimes. These aren't hard themselfs. I've also tried to backcross it.
Another point is implementing it in the Juggling pattern itself.
As I see, the most important here, is how to catch 2 staffs(not same time) with 1 hand and make it comfortable to throw again.

And footwork. Yes, I tried it too. Worked on catching staff with
These're some thoughts, but I didn't do much work with foot and throwing back into cascade.

These're mostly thought and "wishlist" patterns for now. Wanted to get solid basics before doing more difficult stuff.

Stops must be very important and cool looking if you manage to emphasize them well. Didn't work in it yet. Maybe, I need lighter staffs. The ones on video are 450 or 500g weight 90cm long

I will try backcrosses over the arm next time, maybe it's really more comfortable. On the other hand, as it seems for me, most important to keep body straight and then the throw itself shouldn't be affected by arm's position. If you're juggling, your arm is moving and might be in different positions in different patterns when you decide to input a backcross.

AS I see, you got a similar picture. There're loads of patterns and ideas that requite more and more work on them.

Thanks for inspiration

a multiplex i have used is:

(3 staffs)

(r hand) multiplex, crossing double, single to same hand
(l hand) shower pass
(r hand) recieves shower, catches single spin, sets up next multiplex, meanwhile..
(l hand) catches double

works well out of inwards sync butterfly (spinning)

i usually start with arms outward, as if i'm about to do reverse cascade

this runs, its a bit stop -- start, but hey.

i'll try and video it tomorrow.

recent goals for me - 1, just 1, shoulder roll within a pattern

Would be very interesting to see.
Did you have any success making a video already?

hey guys
I've finally got round to filming some new tricks,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogjYjv52FS0
the footage isnt amazing and the tricks need cleaning up but i wanted to get something online to try and keep to momentum of this thing going.
feel free to comment, but if you say any thing bad i will make a small doll of you and poke pins in it

must train harder....................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGR-b0wDl9M&feature=related

im saving up for my leotard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8feOLEWzKFM&feature=related

lovely multiplex in this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhtaeDRAKOw&feature=related

wow tim you make back crosses look whhay too easy4

thats 18 months of practsicing them every time i train and they still aint clean , but thanks dude, Im glad they look easy

18 months? wow. I don't train juggling itself that long
Well, I don't have stable backcrosses yet, but working on them(last half a year).

Btw, did you try adding some spin to them too? In your video it seemed you had enough time for a flourish similar to the ones in cascade

Lol,

Unforutnaley backcrosses are very hard and I learn very slowly, still I'm very patient and I plan my training sessions in years not months.

Ive been staff juggling for about 4-5 years now, the first three years were all spent on the 2,3&4 staff shower and some variations of the 2&3 staff shower.
I then learnt the cascade from Bastl two years ago and have been working on that,the foot juggling, backcrosses, two in one hand variations and mutltiplexes as well as some new doubles throws and catches.

I put myself on a no-new trick ban. I will get these tricks a lot cleaner before allowing myself to train new tricks.

Everything I learn, I will perform on fire, at night, so it takes years to get it clean enough but for me that is the beauty of juggling both as a hobby and a performance art.

Yeah, the figure of eight is the next part of the plan for backcrosses, I can do them fairly easily with either my left or my right hand but doing them with both hands is waaaaaaay harder. I can also do them in a two in one hand backcross fountain pattern but its still very dodgy.

For now I'm content on getting the basic backcrossess a lot clean and more solid.

Good luck with the backcrosses dude, I look forward to seeing them clean

Thanks, good luck you too

How does the "two in one hand backcross fountain pattern" look like?

finally got some material on tape http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XypH_OefNWY