Cateye Butterfloop AKA Catterfloop

I'll probably get yelled at for search doings, one of the reasons I never post on HoP, but here goes anyway.....

Okay, I haven't been in many of the "tech" poi discussions or around any spinners for quite awhile so I don't know how far people have gone with things as far as innovations and such. Recently I've been trying to conquer the cateye anti-spin ellipse stuff and as always working on tangle stuff, don't know what it is but I just can't stop with the tangles. So after being obsessed with isolated hyperloops and anti-spin isolated HL's for some time and trying to figure out how to iso a butterfloop, which I still haven't. Something came to me yesterday while working on cateyes and thinking about how cool anti-spin iso. butterfloops would be......cateye butterfloops!!!!!!

SO!
I think I have a theory that what I am doing actually takes what is your typical "unit circle" and makes it so its a half size smaller. I think the smallest circle you can make with poi is actually half the poi length with these....

So if you are doing a butterfloop and you drive from the cross point of your poi you have to do circles with the poi head, your hands, and the center point at one quarter your "unit circle" diameter so the largest circle is one half your typical "unit circle" which would be with the non anti-spin poi head. Does that make sense? Am I wrong with this? I'm really not sure if that would mean that a true "unit circle" would be half poi length or not, thoughts?


Has this been discussed much? Anyone playing with these at all? I've gotten them many times now but not cleanly yet....

Discussion elsewhere.....

http://techpoi.tribe.net/thread/2f133d87...70-b729154a7626

I was reading your post on this on another board, but Alien beat me to posting and I just got lost. :P Let me try again..

what Im getting lost on is this: Are both hands performing individual cateyes? Im trying to envision this, but Im having trouble identifying if the tangle would add and subtract a twist within a single rotation (in which case, how are you managing that!?), OR if you isolate the hands and poi while already in a butterfloop, wouldn't you simply cause the tangle to release?

Its an exciting theory. Im playing with tangles, cateyes, and hybrids myself so I would love to understand this better and try it out. But, as you can see from my upchuck of a question, Im still rather boggled.

Okay lets see if I can clarify this for you a bit.....its still quite new to me and no one else is doing them apparently so here goes.....

Timing seems to be everything to keep the tangle, it seems like the cateye poi gets real lazy and almost falls over the other to stay tangled and keep the pattern. I've managed to keep it going for four rotations before loosing the tangle, its hard.

So lets begin with cateyes (non-butterfloop)....When doing these, in butterfly, one poi cateyes and the other is an extension. Your "drive" point is at your hands, they rotate around your "unit circle" and create the cateye pattern.

Now in butterfloop, I've been working on these in a "reverse" butterfloop because they are easier for me, enter your butterfloop as normal, hands separated and equal to your poi. (I'm going to use "unit circle" as a reference point for clarity even though they only apply to non-tangled poi) Your nexus now becomes your "drive" point and its at 1/2 your "unit circle" diameter. Your hands do circles in the same direction at 1/4 your "unit circle" and this will cause your cateye poi to rotate at 1/2 "unit" and your extension to travel at 3/4 "unit" I think....still a little unsure on those last two numbers.

The hardest part is at the bottom of the rotation and going back up. Thats where the laziness of the cateye poi comes in. The timing must be perfect and it almost seems that if you slow down in your hand rotation the poi will kind of flop over and stay tangled.

I think that makes sense, tell me if it doesn't, hope it helps!

I think it does, but I'll need to go home and get the poi to try it out. Sounds excellently challenging.

Just to clarify, are you slowing your motion on the way down and letting the cat eye poi fall back into the tangle? Or, are you slowing it down on the upward cycle?

It sounds like there might be a slight jerking motion as the cateye poi hits the 6 o'clock position, so that you have the energy to reach the top again.

Again, Ill have to try this first, but whoa! Very cool. Im already envisioning problems with me maintaining the proper tension, lol!

I think I see what you did there

Helps me to understand somethin else I've been messing with; A stretchy circle-continuous butterfly airwrap, but alternating between inverted (The nexus and the poi heads inside your arms) and normal spinning outside the arms.

Does cat eye define a move as antispin?if so, I *think* it would require crossed arms at one point as well.

Sorry to double post, you posted while I was writing that last one...

 Written by :LTC

Does cat eye define a move as antispin?

A cateye is an anti-spin ellipse

This is the one I'm doing but the yellow bit is the nexus of a butterfloop.

 Written by :LTC

Helps me to understand somethin else I've been messing with; A stretchy circle-continuous butterfly airwrap, but alternating between inverted (The nexus and the poi heads inside your arms) and normal spinning outside the arms.

Hmmmm can you tell me a little more on that? I'm intrigued

I say we shorten this to catterfloop

Mike, I love it! I'll second that motion

gahh! That wont take a conversation or two to explain, will it?

Ill be honest, I had the hardest time understanding explanations about what a cat-eye was until I heard it called an antispin ellipse. After that, I felt so stupid, but hey all of a sudden I can "cat-eye" left, right, clockwise, counterclockwise, no sweat.

I guess Im just not inventive enough. :P Now I gotta go figure out how to add this tangle in there.

*sprints back to the beginner poi moves threads, dazed and confused, and also a little bit scared by the technical-ness of all this

are you trying to cateye the knot or just the entrance and exit?
since its bfly, by minimizing/altering the cateye to dragons tongue and elipsoid extension you can cheat the knot to get the effect. full circle cateyes wont work in a knot. but there's more than one way to skin a cat.
isolating the whole affair b4 you enter will actually be easier to "aim"if the isolations are smooth-less distance to travel, etc. but the only one who will see it is you

catterfloop rox

Farout
First techy poi thread I've looked at for ages and not only is it a gorgeous move (thanks for the vid, I am intensely visual and learn nix from written descriptions) but ARASHI is here!!
hello bro you lovely!

Oh dear, when I entered this thread I knew I'd had a drink last night. Now I think my brainmeats are trying to escape through both ears at once.

You guys are mint, but you're causing me actual physical pain with your supreme techiness

can someone refresh my memory on what a Dragon's Tongue is, that Arashi was talking about? I know Ive heard the term, but I cannot remember what it is supposed to be.

But in conjunction with a butterfloop? Sounds a bit like a whip catch, but without letting go. I feel like Im missing something.

Sorry guys, I was talking about entering from both hands cateyeing. Actually even got a vid yesterday of it that way n now I'm realising it was for nothing wouldnt this be more of a hybrid caterfloop? with only one, you're on the right track. Ill post my dragons tongue comments on a cateye thread to keep this on topic.n stay tuned for lots and lots of cateye trix on video soon. meg has managed the impossible and gotten me on camera )
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