Speedchange in a beat

Hello spinners.

Ivè bin starting to work on a system for poi and it`s to early to fully show it but I find so much interesting stuff thru this system and one of them I really need to share with you guys.

In my eyes this way of movement will blow peoples minds if performed right.
I can`t do it yest but trying to reach the point where people can notice the difference between spinning normal and spinning with speedbumbs (thats what I call it right now).
So what you do when you spin is that you change the speed within a beat (one spin). It will give the effect that the poi is jumping or skipping forward in the motion it has. This shall be done in beat with the music to gve a nice effect. It`s possible to do more then one speedbump within one beat but the more you do the harder it gets.

In my movie below at 1:28 you can se me doing som huggie thingy that ends up above the shoulder if you look at my left hand poi you will see one jump, hardly noticeable but it is there and I will try to do it better..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RTCoX8s96JU

Something to work on?

Sounds pretty interesting.

Will play with it, but I prefer to keep things smooth, apart from wraps and stalls, so it might just go into the toolbox.

Have you played with slowing it down as well?

But thats the thing when you got it will be smooth, whats gonna blow people minds is that instead of keeping the rythm to the music by spin one beat you can spin even slower and keep the ryth within the beats.

Do you mean slowing the speedbumps down? I cant make them any slower at all yet :-/ They are so tricky to get, but someday :P

Can you se what I mean in the vid or is it only my mind

//Thomas

I understand now pretty much what you mean. It's a really subtle effect that leaves a memorable visual on the mind.

Just one thing to throw into the stew, if it's possible to make speed changes within a beat it is also possible to change the relation of spin within a beat so that you can switch from time->split time within a beat or perhaps even from split time->time->split time within one beat.

Friggin awesome control if one can pull of this thing in all it's beauty.

I meant that instead of picking up speed in a single beat, you should (theoretically) be able to slow down as well.

So an antispeedbump if you will. I suspect that this will be a lot harder to pull off and there are definite limits on how much you can do so, but my control is nowhere near good enough to try and explore those limits.

Speedbummps may just be there though. Like I said, I will play with them.

Sounds like polyrhythms, but playing with it inside a single beat, very nice.

And also, just watched your video. Dude... incredible. I'm in awe. Really nice hybrids going on there. You've given me loads of ideas, thanks! Keep it up, big up.

Sambo

Yes, that make sense to call it a polyrythm but within a single beat, haven`t thought of that actually, thanks

Thank you very much for the nice comment about the vid but the hybrids are crap compared to what they should look like, don`t know what was going on that night, couldn`t controll the hybrid movements. Maybe a little to much of some stuff

//Thomas

yes i would have to agree the vid of thailand is breathtaking you given much fuel for the fire(or something like that).

Thanks man, but I don`t understand what you mean with the fuel though? Do you mean if I payed alot for the fuel when I played with fire?
I a swedish dude and my english is`nt the best, trying as good as can

Hypnotic!

I rematched it several times to see what was going on, and I finally started to see it for real. Just only looking at the poi really helped. Man that's awesome.

You actually do two of those just after 1.28, that thing will take forever to perfect, putting it on "todo" list =)

Yeah I know, it will take a looong time to be able to control it so well so you actually can play a whole session in this kind of movement. And as you say you can more easily see what I mean if you focus on one poi.

Try it, imagine that you gonna do a stall so your hand is moving ahead of the poimomentum, just like islolations and then just flick the wrist so the poi get back in the right timing, such a good feeling to play with this in beat to the music.

Get back to me if you can feel it!!!!

Isn't it a 2:1 polyrhythm?
Or possibly 1:0.5 to show it's "within one-beat" (though only relative to the one doing the one...)

Or I might've missed it - looks nice though

I think 1:0.5 makes sense unless it's 1:0.25 or anything else therein.

I think I'm beginning to feel it, I'm not quite sure because it's so damn difficult to visualize, for once perhaps I should let go of my eyes and let go of all my other dancey movement and just try to feel the move... i think that's the only good way to learn this.

Speedbump the way I understand from your post is a timing jump within one beat, that means accelerating and slowing down again? In your video it is difficult for me to see exactly. Is it a whip kind of flick you are using? Are these speedbumps at 6:30 too?

Imo the simple speedchange of a circle itself is quite an interesting topic ... accelerating/decelerating extension/isolation is already quite nifty to differentiate consciously. There was a time when I would have argued against speedbumps being possible, but now I slowly get the idea that everything is possible :P

And seriously good control in your video, definitely wicked, thx
"I apologize for the not very spectacular spinning and the misstakes" . . . no comment :P

Have a beautiful day

You got exactly what I mean and as you are saying it's kinda hard to niticed it but at 1:28, look closely on my left poi how it just jumps to a position above my shoulder.

Have you tried? I want people to practice this way of moving there poi, I wanna see a whole session in this movement :P

And I agree with you if someone told me this a year ago I would just laugh inside and think impossible but you can try

Offtopic: With not very spectacular spinning I mean that I was standing on the same spot the whole time and didn't move around at all, but it was lazy spinning as it says

P.S cant se the video cos my connection sucks but I come back to you when I had a look of what im doing at 6:30.

Sooooo...you've accelerated one poi through 270-degrees whilst the other remains at constant speed and does one beat, i.e. the 'bumped poi jumps round, overtakes the lead poi and finished 180-apart again?

Well yes, thats what+s happening in the vid but my idea is to controll this so well that you can play along with the beats in the music with both of your poi so it would create the feeling that your poi are jumping to the music. So hard to explain, gotta practice so I can show, my english vokabulary are to weak to explain these kinda of stuff ;D

I've changed my mind a bit regarding if it's a polyrhythm because i realized today that you can have speedbumps in any move that is already polyrythmic.

Fraction spinning ? lol.

I'm practicing like mad right now trying to control this. But it's so darn difficult to get a good feel for it.

Ohh man im so jealous now. I havent bin spinning for weeks now. Im stuck in Kuala Lumpur since I lost my passport somewhere and heres isn`t any sweet spots to spin so I got a reallt boring time

I agree to what you are saying Peter, but I don`t know where to put this kind of movement cos it isn`t a polytythm cos as yourè saying you can do it in moves that already are polythmic and it`s not a timing like splittime, quartertime cos you can move like this in all timing, so simply it`s lika isolations, its a kind of movement that you can keep and stilll do everything you know....

Im I wrong?

Yeah precisely.

Wow must be a drag. Hope you will be able to go on with your adventure soon man. Having lost your passport is a pretty serious matter.

Good luck!