Cycles, Frame of Refence, and Relativity it's poi stuff, I swear!

Aston:
Just came back to reread this thread and saw your post. Sorry for not replying sooner.

There can be many cycles of different durations in a system. For instance a year is one cycle. Within one yearly cycle there are a bunch of lunar cycles.

As far as a 3-beat (aka 1st-degree weave) goes. There is 1 "master" cycle: the time it takes to complete a repetition of the pattern. This is what you are talking about. Now we can break it down and look at a component of the pattern, say plane-facing switches: in a 3-beat weave there is 1 'PF' cycle... but in a '5-beat (2nd degree) weave with a 1st degree cross-hand led inversion' there are 3 plan-facing switches for every repeatition of the pattern.

The idea of cycles as it stands in my mind now is as a way to look at what all the components of a move are doing in time with each other.

-Alien Jon

holy crap... you guys see that... that's my brains splattered all over the wall after my head exploded. Man that's gonna take a while to clean up... *gets mop/bucket*

But seriously, I like the cycle concept, lets you specify relationships that might be harder to explain otherwise.

Hmmm.... So how would wraps and tangles fit into this?

And no worries about the delayed reply.

Somehow like 'hybrid tangle' or 'thru wrap'?

Dunno, it's all about circle.

off with Abe,

:R

move to scotland, would ya, jon?

Regarding tangles, I wouldn't think that the location of the center of rotation of the poi would directly effect the analysis of the poi's movement cycles. That is to say, if the poi was isolated then there would be so assumption of paradigm shift, and a tangle is simply a poi that has the capacit for independent rotation on either side of its center of rotation.
At the most, I think there could be an extra assumption of polyrhythmic movement, since the individual poi is undergoing internal polyrhythm (for example, one half is stalling while the other half is rotating), but I don't see how that would change the idea of Jon's cycle analysis.
Dealing with spiral wraps, it seems like the only complication would be in dealing with fixed notation, where one would need a way to keep track of the number of times the poi wrap around both hands, and whether they unwrap immediately. Otherwise, why would it be seen as any different than any other wall plane, mono-planar construction?
Thoughts?

Maybe I'm getting way out of my league here, but shouldn't the focus of notations dealing with wraps include the change in hand/body motions necessary to effect the move? Not just the positioning, as that's covered... But thinking about spiral wrap: Say you spin the poi around your wrist up to the poi head (i.e. completely) - it only takes a twist to get it rotating in the opposite direction - the unwrap. However, say in two wraps, the poi is only halfway around your arm (half the length of the line remains unwrapped) - now you have to turn your arm around and spin in the opposite direction in order to A) keep the poi spinning and B) avoid the poi completing the wrap.

That would address what The Amazing Baz suggests, the number of times the poi wrap around the hands, since long poi = more wraps to complete than short poi, whereas the way your hand moves is not dependent of poi length, except in how long it takes for each step of a given move.

Valid point.

I do like this and I get most of it. Just not sure how to apply it for myself yet.

But nice concept AlienJon.

Edit: got pre-empted.