Announcing - NEW for COL 2008...

Any excuse, crumbling under the pressue I think ( cos I don't really)

Second draft of mine done now - already bored of it
Doesn't show all I wanted to show, and not as arty as I'd hoped, but still a nice vid (I hope)

Best one I've entered into CoL before that's for sure

No way... you made a COL entry.... I DON'T BELIEVE IT!!!!!!!

Ewwww - Meg hugs!

Yarp - filmed, edited, re-edited, cool FX added, cool FX removed, re-edited...
Now just got to put cool FX back on and it'll actually be almost nearly ready

How's your coming along?

Dude, I've still got a month and a half... and I've got two DVD's to finish and another one for Rob come to think of it, ten tapes to edit... so it'll be maybe filmed sometime in june I reckon...

Take your time - why not wait till July?

What's the deal with CC music? I mean, if I find music on jamendo say, and it's free for commercial use with attribution. Do I have to still get a peice of paper signed by the artist, or is the fact that the artist put it online under CC AT 2.5 good enough?

When is the deadline?

hay if i wanted to use a really top notch dj's song how would i find out how to ask him to use his song?

so i dont need his permission i just have to say who sings it and all the info???

no, you DO need his permission, in fact you have to get him to sign on the music release form where it says

'Signature of musician/singer'

thats what i thaught thats a bumber any idea how id get ahold of darude?

sorry, you'll have to work that out yourself: that's the fun of getting an entry together!

Without knowing the specific music it's hard to make a 'blanket' statement that will answer this definitively. But I'll try!
The reason for the form is because we use the music on a DVD which is then sold. Even though all the proceeds are used to fund the forum bandwidth and costs, it is still categorised as commercial use and so we need to make sure we are not going to suddenly get an unexpected bill for royalties on someone's music. It is entirely possible that Creative Commons music IS free to use in this situation and if you can prove that to us then no problem. But even though most classical music may be in the "no copyright" category, it doesn't mean the particular recording of it you used isn't covered by a copyright as it was performed by someone who might want to make trouble for a "commercial" use of their recording without their permission. In the past we've had an entire DVD held up and had to go to re-editing and reprinting because of a dispute about the music. That's not fair for us or the other people's videos and the HoPpers waiting to see it - hence the form. As long as you can prove to us that the music you use has no copyright or usage issues attached to it, then we are good to go.

So Meg - in the examples you cite, if you are sure there are no issues with commercial use of the music, fill in the form along the lines of pointing to the reference which shows there is no problem using it (e.g. a weblink) and sign it. That should cover most things.

If however, we receive it and our interpretation - which will understandably err on the side of caution - is that it may not be useable, then the entry would run the risk of not being used. So, the cautious person would submit 2 entries - one with music and the form as described, and one without music just in case...

I hope this helps clarify the intent/reason for the music release and your (everyones) common sense will be able to apply this to each specific situation.

Yeah the licence I'm talking about is essentially free for everything, including commercial use, as long as it has attribution to the original composer. Which you will be doing as you attribute music at the start of each segment.

How much trouble I have to go to prove that the music is released under that license is what I'm wondering... I mean, if it's on a music collection site, like jamendo, and said to be under that license... how do I know that it was put there by the composer? Is jamendo's word enough on that front? How much checking do they do? I mean, surely they would be sued by the original artist if they knew about it, but does either party? ANd then say, I could follow a link back to the artist homepage where the another copy of the music could be found under the same free license, but again the issue of authenticity comes up. It's just the internet, it could be made up... How far does the paper trail have to lead and how really can I assume anything is authentic?

people use the word "due diligence"... As long as you have made a reasonable effort (and document that for us) to ensure the music is ok to use then it will probably be fine.

There's also the other angle of how much checking do they do as you implied - do they go and check every DVD out there on the offchance they'll find their music being used? Chances are little old COL in the scheme of the worlds music industry isn't featuring highly on the lists.

and the first COL entries arrive....

*squeeeeeeeee *

god damn it i need to find a video camera lol