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#849471 - 22/01/08 05:34 AM Re: advanced staff juggling ... let´s go mad !! [Re: splinterific]
bastl member Registered: 22/08/04 Loc: vienna / austria	Written by: splinterific the 3 staff millsmess was great want to see a 5staff version soon though any idea what that would mean such things as a pattern about 4 metres broad and 5,5 metres high...quite a lot of feet work todo...next to the fact it´s an 5 object pattern.... but why is a 5 staff mills soo much better than a 3 staff ? -just because its harder? _________________________ _told the fishfable to wes peden _heard gloria gaynors "i will survive" 3 times live allready....in the same 20 min performance!
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#849472 - 22/01/08 07:10 AM Re: advanced staff juggling ... let´s go mad !! [Re: bastl]
Irinus member Registered: 19/04/06 Loc: London	I can imagine you jumping from side to side in a Rastelli stylee I think you should do that for all your tricks.
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#849473 - 22/01/08 08:57 AM Re: advanced staff juggling ... let´s go mad !! [Re: Irinus]
Mynci Macaque of all trades Registered: 27/04/05 Loc: wombling free...	I agree it would be amusing but 5 staff mills how about 4 though the problems with staff is the width of the pattern even a boston mess would be a bit tricky with all staffs face on. _________________________ see no evil, hear no evil, speak B*llocks Likes tail <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
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#849474 - 22/01/08 10:05 AM Re: advanced staff juggling ... let´s go mad !! [Re: Mynci]
bluecat geek, level 1 Registered: 15/12/02 Loc: everywhere	well, i don't reckon a 4 staff mills (or even a 5) need be any wider than a three - a 5 ball mills has the same catching width as a 3 ball mills when done really well. but keeping 5 staffs up. argh. as sebastian has seen, the pattern is well hard, especially in the wind in scotland in winter. argh. incidentally, we have loads of new passing patterns, but we're not telling you what they are _________________________ Holistic Spinner (I hope)
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#849475 - 22/01/08 09:19 PM Re: advanced staff juggling ... let´s go mad !! [Re: bluecat]
Mynci Macaque of all trades Registered: 27/04/05 Loc: wombling free...	damn you and your masonic passing techniques _________________________ see no evil, hear no evil, speak B*llocks Likes tail <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
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#849476 - 22/01/08 10:16 PM Re: advanced staff juggling ... let´s go mad !! [Re: bluecat]
bastl member Registered: 22/08/04 Loc: vienna / austria	Written by: bluecat well, i don't reckon a 4 staff mills (or even a 5) need be any wider than a three - a 5 ball mills has the same catching width as a 3 ball mills when done really well. hm i disagree, five ball mills is a "bit" broader than a 3 ball mills, just because there are more objects going up and down, which need their own thickness more space... staffs are a bit broader than staffs (especially in wall plane)....so i still think the pattern would be broader...even i don´t want to attemt it, otherwise there are hyperlights now Written by: bluecat but keeping 5 staffs up. argh. as sebastian has seen, the pattern is well hard, especially in the wind in scotland in winter. argh. but it looks genius when the wind cuts in, in the "right" moment the passings are kick-ass for sure -huhu big mystery _________________________ _told the fishfable to wes peden _heard gloria gaynors "i will survive" 3 times live allready....in the same 20 min performance!
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#849477 - 23/01/08 12:10 AM Re: advanced staff juggling ... let´s go mad !! [Re: bastl]
bluecat geek, level 1 Registered: 15/12/02 Loc: everywhere	Written by: bastl Written by: bluecat well, i don't reckon a 4 staff mills (or even a 5) need be any wider than a three - a 5 ball mills has the same catching width as a 3 ball mills when done really well. hm i disagree, five ball mills is a "bit" broader than a 3 ball mills, just because there are more objects going up and down, which need their own thickness more space... staffs are a bit broader than staffs (especially in wall plane)....so i still think the pattern would be broader...even i don´t want to attemt it, otherwise there are hyperlights now um.. no - a really good 5 ball mills has all the balls landing essentially in the middle of the pattern - they don't need any extra space cause they all come down at different times. they are thrown from a little wider, it's true, but... not that i'm saying 5 staffs would be easy... i did have a quick go at 4 staff mills last night to see what could be done, and managed 6 catches, but my left had doesn't like the pattern change (inside to outside) so i don't reckon i'll be getting it any time soon. _________________________ Holistic Spinner (I hope)
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#849478 - 23/01/08 02:02 AM Re: advanced staff juggling ... let´s go mad !! [Re: bluecat]
Mynci Macaque of all trades Registered: 27/04/05 Loc: wombling free...	I would have thought the pattern for 5 would have to be 2 staff widths plus a gap to allow space for rotation. minus the distance from the wick to the grip x 2 (starting to sound mathematical like richee now ) _________________________ see no evil, hear no evil, speak B*llocks Likes tail <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
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#849479 - 23/01/08 03:22 PM Re: advanced staff juggling ... let´s go mad !! [Re: Mynci]
entheogen member Registered: 04/03/05 Loc: Berlin	???? hey bluecat just checking but when you speak about your staffs that your juggling with you mean your itsybitsy ones... seen on the last vodka and orange video, or _________________________ 'There are two mantras in life, yum and yuk. I choose yum.'
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#849480 - 24/01/08 01:02 AM Re: advanced staff juggling ... let´s go mad !! [Re: Old-User--37588]
bluecat geek, level 1 Registered: 15/12/02 Loc: everywhere	no - my ultralights (tm) 90cm, about 2g _________________________ Holistic Spinner (I hope)
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#849481 - 24/01/08 01:48 AM Re: advanced staff juggling ... let´s go mad !! [Re: bluecat]
Mynci Macaque of all trades Registered: 27/04/05 Loc: wombling free...	Written by: bluecat no - my ultralights (tm) 90cm, about 2g wow where did you get them from even at 200g I's be happy _________________________ see no evil, hear no evil, speak B*llocks Likes tail <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
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#849482 - 24/01/08 04:05 PM Re: advanced staff juggling ... let´s go mad !! [Re: Mynci]
FireNix old hand Registered: 04/04/01 Loc: India/Bristol	Ah cumon - spill on the passing patterns peeps!! Cant wait to see what comes out of this collaberation UberPassing - MMMmmmm I NEED to find someone who can pass staff. Maybe i'll have to teach Jill (Nocturnal-Sunshine) some staff - she's well into the club passing and were starting a new collaberative project in NZ starting in a week. I might even be arsed to put some vid stuff on here....MMMmmm....maybe!! By the way Rob - how have you constructed your practice staff - when I get me van im gonna make some of those - maybe for the NZJC - and tech some passing there Peas out To all and especially Bastl and Bluey Respekt _________________________ Feel the Flame Phirenix
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#849483 - 25/01/08 11:50 AM Re: advanced staff juggling ... let´s go mad !! [Re: FireNix]
bastl member Registered: 22/08/04 Loc: vienna / austria	yo dude, hows new zeeland ? coming to europe in summer ? -would love to have you in vienna for some time. .. spit out some of the patterns, ...they are a bit weired, loads of bodyt throw passings, with some plane swopings and face catches they need quite some cleaning up, but they are too good take care & make vids _________________________ _told the fishfable to wes peden _heard gloria gaynors "i will survive" 3 times live allready....in the same 20 min performance!
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#849484 - 25/01/08 02:06 PM Re: advanced staff juggling ... let´s go mad !! [Re: bastl]
bluecat geek, level 1 Registered: 15/12/02 Loc: everywhere	they are fractioanlly lighter than my juggling balls, so i guess that makes them 60 or 70g to be precise... i got a pic of them here: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=632003&l=ec013&id=680065933 light aluminium, tiny gauge, with a sliver of carpet and a wodge of foam. and neoprene grips none of that side to side passing rob, its really, really 2006. sort it out... _________________________ Holistic Spinner (I hope)
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#849485 - 25/01/08 10:43 PM Re: advanced staff juggling ... let´s go mad !! [Re: bluecat]
Mynci Macaque of all trades Registered: 27/04/05 Loc: wombling free...	I take it then they are not wooden cored and the foam is designed to take the impact if dropped.. nice looks for foam in southampton _________________________ see no evil, hear no evil, speak B*llocks Likes tail <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
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#849486 - 31/01/08 05:25 AM Re: advanced staff juggling ... let´s go mad !! [Re: Mynci]
bluecat geek, level 1 Registered: 15/12/02 Loc: everywhere	they are hollow alu tube cores, and the foam is insulating foam for pipes, available in Bee and Coo. _________________________ Holistic Spinner (I hope)
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#849487 - 01/02/08 02:04 AM Re: advanced staff juggling ... let´s go mad !! [Re: bluecat]
Mynci Macaque of all trades Registered: 27/04/05 Loc: wombling free...	I saw that when I went paint shopping. I shall be down there again soon you can bet on that _________________________ see no evil, hear no evil, speak B*llocks Likes tail <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
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#849488 - 16/02/08 01:09 AM Re: advanced staff juggling ... let´s go mad !! [Re: Mynci]
willworkforfoodjnr Hunting robot foxes Registered: 08/08/07 Loc: Huddersfield, West Yorkshire	Hey guys Wanting some advice from those of you who can run mills mess. I'm starting from cold (not transferring in) with the underarm throw. That throw and the next I'm getting fine but I can't figure the last throw out (the one which takes you back to the arms crossed position). I catch the staff underarm and cary it round, and the carry makes the staff continue rotating, so that when I'm in the position to throw it my hand is pointing straight down (almost as if I'm doing reubenstiens with clubs) and the staff flops out of the back so theres nowhere near enough height to keep the pattern going. So, do you stop the spin so your hand is the correct way round, or did you just keep practicing that awkward throw? Thanks!
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#849489 - 20/02/08 12:41 AM Re: advanced staff juggling ... let´s go mad !! [Re: willworkforfoodjnr]
bastl member Registered: 22/08/04 Loc: vienna / austria	Written by: willworkforfoodjnr I'm starting from cold (not transferring in) with the underarm throw. That throw and the next I'm getting fine but I can't figure the last throw out (the one which takes you back to the arms crossed position). hello sorry i can´t fully follow your description of mills.... BUT when you start with the underarm throw, than it is the 4th throw which brings you to crossed arms on the other side! when i first translated mills mess for staff i started, by juggling it with balls, but trying to make the pattern as slow, high, and broad as possible...always try to imagine that you full size staffs have to fit in and yes, all the staffs make direction changes after every chatch... mills is very good to teach you about making patterns broad and low..which for me is the most compftable way to juggle 3 staffs.. by the way: when you translate 3 object patterns to 3 staff...never accept awkward throws..make them nice and easy...3 staff keeps you busy anyway _________________________ _told the fishfable to wes peden _heard gloria gaynors "i will survive" 3 times live allready....in the same 20 min performance!
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#849490 - 20/02/08 01:25 AM Re: advanced staff juggling ... let´s go mad !! [Re: bastl]
willworkforfoodjnr Hunting robot foxes Registered: 08/08/07 Loc: Huddersfield, West Yorkshire	Nice one bastl, the direction change thing has explained it for me, although I might have to try the other version at some point too!
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