Is Intelligent Design a Theory or a Critique?

If you consider the universe to be exactly equal to the mind of god, then it follows that they must be as complicated as each other. Or some philosophical bollox.

but if god is as complicated as the universe then he has limits he couldn't for example imagin the universe then at the same time think ohh i so glad i invented beavers. meening he isn't all powerfull or omnipitent he has limits and given that the very defintion of god is he is limitless. to say he is as complicated as the universe is to say god doesn't exists.

so i'll ask again whats more complicated god or the universe?

Poje: Yup. That's why it's guff. It flies in the face of all the evidence.

The people who believe this are also the people who believe "Dinosaur fossils were put there to test my faith". And keeping with Bill Hicks here: "Is anyone else slightly uneasey with the idea that God might be... you know... F**KING WITH OUR HEADS!!!".

Hell, I'm a taoist. As far as I'm concerned most peoples' ideas of a "God" are actually about the universe.

then why call it god why not simply avoid the confusion and call it the universe?

Yeah, pretty much... The following from Wikipedia (again )...

"The wide spectrum of such beliefs includes young Earth creationism holding a very literal interpretation of Genesis, while old Earth creationism accepts geological findings but rejects evolution. The term theistic evolution has been coined to refer to beliefs in creation which are compatible with popular scientific opinions on evolution and the age of the Earth."

And...

Flood geology (also creation geology or diluvial geology) is a prominent subset of beliefs under the umbrella of creationism that assumes the literal truth of a global flood as described in the Genesis account of Noah's Ark. For adherents, the global flood and its aftermath is believed to be the origin of most of the Earth's geological features, including sedimentary strata, fossilization, fossil fuels, submarine canyons, salt domes, and frozen mammoths. As such, flood geology directly contradicts the current conventional theories in scientific disciplines such as geology, evolutionary biology and paleontology.

"Young Earth creationists regard Genesis as providing a historically and scientifically accurate record for the geological history of the Earth and believe that there exists evidence that can back up the historicity of the flood. However, creationist presentations of what they believe is evidence are routinely dismissed out-of-hand by the scientific community and as such flood geology is considered pseudoscience."

no i dont think you do correct me if im wrong (as i very well might me) but as i understand it taois dont beleave in a god.

but what i was geting at is when people say god they dont meen the universe they meen an inteligent all powerful entitiy that created the universe and everything in it. which is a very diffrent thing from the universe

im saying the definition you gave is not the common understanding of the word as people use it.

Taoism is non-theistic. In other words, some similar beliefs are there, but none of these things are tied to an anthropomorphic deity. Exactly as you've been saying, why should they need to be?

The basic premise is strikingly similar though. An all pervasive force that is everywhere and yet nowhere at the same time... Just that one religion gives it a face and calls it God, while the other admits that it could never have a face, and calls it the Tao (Buddhists generally do refer to it as the 'Universe', mind you).

But this is all getting horribly far off topic here... Sorry about that. I really shouldn't get dragged into these discussions...

Whats it called when you beleive there is a god but he plays no role in our lives?

thats Deism where god doesn't interfer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism


thats what i'ed say that the universe is infinatly less complicated than god which leaves us the question which is more likely

the universe just poping into existance fully formed

or god just poping into existance fully formed

Man, this kinda conversation shouldn't be happening before 1am and without any alcohol. I feel like I should've been drinking whiskey for a long time...

maby there should be a minimun alchol limit for this thread

Or another substance.

Thus proving that any good conversation requires substance!

And moving swiftly back on topic...

Here is the link that was broken in my earlier post. Evolution for creationists. Class.

I just accidentally clicked on the Stumbleupon "take to a page recommended by a friend" button, and I ended up at a sick ass video of a chap doing a back flip on a slack wire.

Thats not why Im posting here, its because in typical YouTube video comments style; it all resorted into a slagging match with swearing... talking about evolution.
this is the link

Made me laugh really how it all started off.

(even if you dont read the comments, at least watch the video, its cool )

that was so funny
to school kids arguing sound like hop