Whip Moves Thread!

OK, sorry to bother every one in this thread again.

I got a new cracker from my stock whip but on closer inspection i have found that the lether peice that you would attach the cracker too has been broken off almost right at the point that it is woven in to the whip.

Any ideas on how to fix this or where i could take it to get it fixed? the weaving pattern is too complicated for me to work out so far.

I think i may be able to post a picture of the damage later tonight, if that helps?

Just found this..

(Jon posting as Skully)

Their taste in music and costume is rubbish

in the same vein...with blue flares

Can anyone tell me if there are some cracks that you can get with a bullwhip but not with a stockwhip due to its hinge?

I've been using a 6 foot stockwhip now for several months, and I"m doing pretty OK with it in both hands. I can do forward crack, overhead crack and cutting targets. With my right hand I can get the overhead crack on both sides of my body, as well as a backwards crack (Yes, still a beginner I know!)

But I've recently been trying to learn a heap of new tricks. The most challenging of these to me seems to be the most basic of cracks, a forward throw as demonstrated in the video by em-brand whips (using a bullwhip). Would it be possible that because of the hinge on my stockwhip that this is either A) bloody hard and my technique could use some tweaking to make up for the difference in whip style. or B) not possible, but there may be a stockwhip alternative to this crack??

The reason I ask is mostly because I'm starting to lose hope :-p as well as noticing that in the hundreds of whipcracking videos online, stockwhip crackers tend to have much bigger arm movements whereas bullwhipers seems to be more neat & controlled with smaller arm movements??

Grr. I'm covered in bruises from several days of frustrating practice & would realy like to at least say that I have the basics down!

i really need somebody to teach me how to use these damn whips of mine! i'm fed up with the same 3 cracks!

I'll be at southern lights and play this year, I'm happy to try and teach stuff.

Alternatively, there's the british whipcracking convention in Wolverhampton on the 5th of July

For the Aussie Whippers out there:

I've been considering a pair of Angie Mooneys trick trainer 4' Stockwhips to learn doublehanded with.. http://whipcracking.com.au/#3

But I'm not sure if they're worth it - they're incredibly cheep (hence the appeal) but I wonder if its a case of getting what you pay for..

I already have a 6' 12 plait stockwhip.. and was considereing the alternative of buying a matching buddy for it..

But as cash is an issue - the $120.00 for a matched pair of whips to learn on seems a good option.. but if they're going to fall apart in 6 months I'd rather save (a lot) longer and just buy another decent full length stockwhip for the $450 or so it will cost to match the quality of this one (my uncles from his jackarooing days - still in top condition).

I'm keen to get upto competition standard and so for this I need 6' stockwhips anyway (for aussie whip comptitions run by the APWA).

So.. I guess I just wanna be sure I'm not wasting my hard earned cash on toys that are just that - toys when I should be buying the real deal straight up & just go the hard yards & learn all my tricks with the bigger whips?

What do you guys think??

The chances of getting a match made for your existing stock are slim to none, paired whips are made as such to get everything as close to the same in both as possible. Even if you get a whip with exactly the same weight hide, the same taper, the same length, the same core construction, the stock you have is nicely broken in, a new one will take (how old is your uncle's?) to get to the same condition...

Try this yahoo group for advice on new whips, there's a lot of whipmakers on there, and a lot of experience. Someone there is likely to have played with the Angie Mooneys and will be able to give you a reasonable assessment of them.

Thanks!
really appreciate your help *goes off to check yahoo*

i'm away for the whipcracking festival, but i'll be at play. I can't learn from all this written jargon in here! i need somebody to at least show me a crack, then i can at least try to copy it.

for anyone thats interested....

i'm in discussions with a really good whip maker to make a plaited fire whip out of kevlar thread.

hopefully should be awesome.

you mean like the ones by riz?

kind of, in that it will be an actual whip.he's looking at a pure kevlar 12 plait whip, riz only does a 6 plait with a mixture of kevlar blend. and before you ask yes it probably will be more expensive than riz, but what we're hoping for is to keep the whips characteristics as close to a normal whip as possible while using a different material. its going to be a while and take some experiementing before he comes up with something.

the whip maker is Simon Martin. he's a really nice guy and is reccommended by some of the best crackers in the world, even better than that hes based only a couple towns away!.

hopefully by the end of it all he'll have a kick arse new product and i'll have fire whip No1.

I'm not sure I could get someone to put in the effort to make me a proper fire whip, knowing that I'm just going to set it on fire

That said, after having a go with a fire whip for the first time on saturday night, I'm considering making a fire stock whip for myself.

Just dropping a quick link in here...

Adam Winrich has a load of tutorials on youtube - here's the index of his videos