#817590 - 04/09/07 11:44 PM
Re: Whip Moves Thread!
[Re: Gnor]
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journeyman
Registered: 08/06/07
Loc: Vilnius
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Whips... sounds nice
Interesting, are there any starting tutorials available?
And, what would you suggest to use for a fire whip?
Just kevlar rope or there must be smth special?
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#817591 - 05/09/07 06:16 AM
Re: Whip Moves Thread!
[Re: mcp]
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Liquid Cow
Registered: 03/09/01
Loc: High Wycombe, England
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Written by: mcp
I don't mind, the tasmanian cutback is really a series of three cracks I reckon, not just a BTB cattlemans. It's more like a figure of eight in wheel plane and then a plane change into btb wall plane for the cattlemans.
I suppose if you're grouping cracks together like that then giving the combinations a unique name kind of makes sense.
Having said that, I've been trying to break down everything into small bite size chunks so I can work out what's actually going on and I'm finding it really difficult because of these names - I've only seen most of them described in text and it's kind of assumed that everyone knows what the more obscure names actually represent.
Yep, very much like poi (everyone knows what a waistwrap is, right  )
Also, changing planes like that makes me break out in a cold sweat. I suppose I need to get over that
Written by: mcp
I think the victorian cutback looks the same as most other direction change cracks, it kinda has to, but the hand motion to do it is wildly different.
Is it really that different? I reckon it's only rotated around your elbow a bit.
Written by: mcp
There's only really three cracks, but I thick the cutback might almost be a fourth.
What're the first three?
Throw, Direction change and Flick?
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#817593 - 07/09/07 06:34 PM
Re: Whip Moves Thread!
[Re: mcp]
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Sweet talented nutter
Registered: 03/08/02
Loc: Brisbane Oz
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Minding i did see a golf swing crack that looked fun for sillyness.
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#817594 - 09/09/07 07:31 PM
Re: Whip Moves Thread!
[Re: Puk]
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old hand
Registered: 04/04/01
Loc: India/Bristol
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fire freaks
Fire whip can be made out of Kevlar rope yes.
I make a tapered Kevlar Whip that really feels like a whipa nd not just a piece of rope nailed to a handle!!
PM me if youre interested
Peas
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#817595 - 10/09/07 05:29 AM
Re: Whip Moves Thread!
[Re: FireNix]
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journeyman
Registered: 08/06/07
Loc: Vilnius
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Yeah, it's what i'm interested in.
It's how to make kevlar whip feel more like a whip.
thks
Zestianssik
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#817598 - 26/09/07 06:33 AM
Re: Whip Moves Thread!
[Re: why]
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Liquid Cow
Registered: 03/09/01
Loc: High Wycombe, England
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Tasmanian Twist (aka Tasmanian Cutback) Start with a fast figure 8 going from forwards to behind. As the whip does the second crack, pull the plane from wheel plane to BTB wallplane and do a wallplane cattleman's crack behind your back. If you're holding the whip in your right hand, the last crack should pop either down or to the left, depending on timing. Victorian Cutback Kind of hard to explain. It's basically an upside down cattleman's crack with a bit of a windup beside you. It's pretty much the same as a coachman's crack but where the coachman's crack is done behind and around your shoulder, the victorian cutback's done a bit lower and with less arm movement, working mainly from the wrist I think. Bovril's Weird Crack (This really needs a better name ) Essentially a Victorian Cutback without the windup. It's easiest to explain done in wallplane, but that's still no guarantee it's going to make sense... Start off with the whip on the floor, pointing off to the right. Pull the whip underarm and up into a clockwise circle, keeping the thong taught as it swings around. As the whip starts to swing through 10 - 12 o'clock, move the handle end of the whip in a small anti-clockwise circle. This should cut the handle end of the thong back across the rest and make a loop for the crack. Written by:
Speaking of definitions it's a bit of a bugger isn't it?
Hell yeah, so much of it is the same except for being rotated or flipped upside down, but then given obscure names.
I really need a video camera - I'd love to film all the variations I know to compare then all properly, but I'd like to do that in slow motion if possible.
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#817599 - 27/09/07 01:38 AM
Re: Whip Moves Thread!
[Re: TheBovrilMonkey]
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not _Y_
Registered: 02/03/04
Loc: Scotland
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I think they kinda make sense... need to play with a whip and re- read... as imagining things in your head gets painful after a while!
how does your "weird crack" hand finish? directionally?
Is the victorian cut back the one that's really easy to volley, forming an incomplete circle isolating the loops (in space)?
Sorry if my words have made that worse... am trying to write something to try and make a way of explaining how i think about cracking
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#817601 - 27/09/07 08:29 AM
Re: Whip Moves Thread!
[Re: TheBovrilMonkey]
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Still wiggling
Registered: 22/10/02
Loc: Belfast
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What about Monkey's Ass Crack? As demonstrated in Bristol?! 
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#817603 - 27/09/07 08:24 PM
Re: Whip Moves Thread!
[Re: TheBovrilMonkey]
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Registered: 31/03/03
Loc: Perth
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Simian Utube ass crack excellent
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#817607 - 29/09/07 02:57 AM
Re: Whip Moves Thread!
[Re: why]
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Liquid Cow
Registered: 03/09/01
Loc: High Wycombe, England
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Yeah, it's just a pared down Victorian cutback.
The only other version of the victorian cutback I've seen is on the Mike Murphy DVD and looks like it has a wind up that swings the whip around - I just don't bother with that part.
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#817608 - 29/09/07 03:41 AM
Re: Whip Moves Thread!
[Re: TheBovrilMonkey]
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not _Y_
Registered: 02/03/04
Loc: Scotland
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Don't think Meg's noted that the coachman's can be performed horizontally too... though you have to draw out the whip body into the nice line gravity usually draws
three sequences that I like playing with recently... no idea if anyone'll make sense of these (even those that have seen me playing)
Assuming you're all bearing whips in right hands (tut tut), and doing my best to use existing words
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Start - thong/body out to right along "wall plane" (I think)
Throw to left (in front of body) with upward (and rightward) hand follow through (like an exaggerated wall plane cow and calf).
[You'll need to watch the whip carefully... so that the thong has not recoiled too far back (beyond your hand position below)]
throw out to right (note hand position is above right shoulder (as opposed to left hip for 1st throw... short people may feel the urge to jump)
There seems to be a slight variation on the 2nd throw:
Where it is directed at a more right and down angle... which seems to feel a little more under control... creating a whiup shape more similar to the "cattleman's".
By continuing the clockwise circle the series can be made continuous... but this is easier in the first version.
2The Stupid One
Take meg's fig 8 volley
turn it to horizontal (wha's that one called? floor plane?)
what about then turning it inside?
BE AWARE THIS IS POTENTIALLY (even more) DANGEROUS (particularly with longer whips)
Thong out behind (and to the outside of the body)
throw with a horizontal arc
the fall should recoil between your body and your hand (NEXT TO YOUR FACE AND MAYBE YOUR EYES! (depending on your aim and control)
and can be thrown out behind by turning the handle over your wrist (and towards yourself)
I have just realised that I have not returned from this part directly and usually continue to the front crack along the outside...
So it's more like an overhead front and back crack that's been condensed to one side of your body.
I [u]have[/u] hit myself with this one... but it has only been from the 2nd crack returning to the front... where the fall or cracker can get the back of your legs
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thong behind
throw forward
pull back and up with your hand (not just a flick back to the underarm volley)... (If you play with poi it is like the arm motion of pendulum 1.5's)
this causes the whip body to cross back over the returning fall end (breifly forming a gamma shape with fall behind and handle leading forward).
Then a second flicking motion into the same initial throw
Words really don't do a good job at conveying things...
Do they make any sense to people?
last minute thought...
I guess that means the vicky cutback/bov's crack can be inverted?
what's Monkey's one?
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#817611 - 28/12/07 10:53 PM
Re: Whip Moves Thread!
[Re: TheBovrilMonkey]
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Registered: 31/03/03
Loc: Perth
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#817612 - 18/01/08 06:19 PM
Re: Whip Moves Thread!
[Re: arashi]
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Now with extra strawberries
Registered: 11/02/02
Loc: Canberra
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OK, sorry to bother every one in this thread again.
I got a new cracker from my stock whip but on closer inspection i have found that the lether peice that you would attach the cracker too has been broken off almost right at the point that it is woven in to the whip.
Any ideas on how to fix this or where i could take it to get it fixed? the weaving pattern is too complicated for me to work out so far.
I think i may be able to post a picture of the damage later tonight, if that helps?
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#817613 - 19/01/08 12:35 AM
Re: Whip Moves Thread!
[Re: ElectricBlue]
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Pinker than thou
Registered: 04/05/06
Loc: A little pink world all my own...
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Written by: DarcyFox
I got a new cracker from my stock whip but on closer inspection i have found that the lether peice that you would attach the cracker too has been broken off almost right at the point that it is woven in to the whip.
Any ideas on how to fix this or where i could take it to get it fixed? the weaving pattern is too complicated for me to work out so far.
So the bit you need is called the fall. It shouldn't be actually woven into the whip, but will most likely go through the knotting that finishes the plaiting and appear outside the other end of that knotting apparently looped round the end of the whip. It's designed to be easily replaced as it does take a lot of abuse.
What's actually going on is that the fall is sort of needle shaped, so that the eye of the needle goes around the whip and the fall goes through the knottting at the end. This makes replacing the fall -fairly- straightforward. Bernie from EM brand whips has a dvd tutorial thing called something like "whip cracking and maintenance", which, to be honest, is very dull but does show fall replacement in close-up. A google search for "fall replacement" ought to turn up a bunch of online tutorials too.
If that all looks a bit scary, well then you live in the same country as at least half of the world's best whip makers, find one near you, take(/post) your whip to them, and it'll take them maybe 10 minutes to do it for you.
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#817614 - 13/02/08 02:07 AM
Re: Whip Moves Thread!
[Re: PinkNigel]
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Pinker than thou
Registered: 04/05/06
Loc: A little pink world all my own...
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#817615 - 13/02/08 10:04 AM
Re: Whip Moves Thread!
[Re: PinkNigel]
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Registered: 12/08/04
Loc: Wales
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#817616 - 13/02/08 04:05 PM
Re: Whip Moves Thread!
[Re: Skulduggery]
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Registered: 31/03/03
Loc: Perth
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Edited by Gnor (13/02/08 04:06 PM)
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#817617 - 22/05/08 09:58 PM
Re: Whip Moves Thread!
[Re: Gnor]
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newbie
Registered: 22/05/08
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Can anyone tell me if there are some cracks that you can get with a bullwhip but not with a stockwhip due to its hinge?
I've been using a 6 foot stockwhip now for several months, and I"m doing pretty OK with it in both hands. I can do forward crack, overhead crack and cutting targets. With my right hand I can get the overhead crack on both sides of my body, as well as a backwards crack (Yes, still a beginner I know!)
But I've recently been trying to learn a heap of new tricks. The most challenging of these to me seems to be the most basic of cracks, a forward throw as demonstrated in the video by em-brand whips (using a bullwhip). Would it be possible that because of the hinge on my stockwhip that this is either A) bloody hard and my technique could use some tweaking to make up for the difference in whip style. or B) not possible, but there may be a stockwhip alternative to this crack??
The reason I ask is mostly because I'm starting to lose hope :-p as well as noticing that in the hundreds of whipcracking videos online, stockwhip crackers tend to have much bigger arm movements whereas bullwhipers seems to be more neat & controlled with smaller arm movements??
Grr. I'm covered in bruises from several days of frustrating practice & would realy like to at least say that I have the basics down!
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#817618 - 22/05/08 11:59 PM
Re: Whip Moves Thread!
[Re: CrackinCaz]
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Pinker than thou
Registered: 04/05/06
Loc: A little pink world all my own...
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Written by :CrackinCaz
Can anyone tell me if there are some cracks that you can get with a bullwhip but not with a stockwhip due to its hinge?
Sorry, but no, there aren't.
If it's any consolation, I find stock whips really difficult cos I learned with a bull, there are definite variations in the movements used...
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#817619 - 23/05/08 06:42 AM
Re: Whip Moves Thread!
[Re: PinkNigel]
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travelling without moving
Registered: 09/05/06
Loc: Maghull, Liverpool
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i really need somebody to teach me how to use these damn whips of mine! i'm fed up with the same 3 cracks!
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