Advanced Isolations: Point Isolations and Isolation Weave?

I'd say i'm something of a newbie (aren't we all?), and I've recently begun to play with Isolations and such. I can do a somewhat shoddy iso-buzzsaw and various other isolation trickery. No matter how hard I try, I can never get seem to get a point isolation (an isolation in which your hand rotates entirely around the head). They're bonafide impossible. Do you have any pointers for this?

The isolation weave is also positively devilish. Any advice on this as well?

Thanks!

uhm, to the best of my knowledge, its very difficult to get more than 1/2 of a point isolation, and next to impossible to do it continuously. this is because of the speeds your hands would have to reach

cheers, pete

if you spin in reverse, then at some point punch through the poi, that's a point isolation...but its odd

I've worked quite a bit on isolations striving for more than 1/2 point isolations. My only advice is to try and over eggarate your arm and body movements. You may look like a frog in a blender doing a weve but it helps me. You know you have an isolated weave when the chains stay parallel the entire time and your hands are with the opposite poi head. As you get crossed up doing the weve turn your body and open up to get that stretch. That tricky part makes the isolated weave. IMO

Alright. I'll get on it. One last question, though: Are there any tutorial videos for a point isolation or an isolation weave?

I would love to see a video too. I'd make one but mine aren't perfect. If one doesn't exist maybee I'll give it a shot.

When I was practicing this at Burningman some other spinners approached me. They wanted to see what I was spinning since they had seen me from a distance. First they thought it was a staff, then they thought it was a tri-sectional staff, but in the end were supprised to see it was poi. When I was dead on it does look like a staff. When I was just off and the chains were not quite parallel it looked like a tri-sectioanl staff.

I prefer the reverse weve for isolations. Watch your hands and try to get them to pull apart towards the opposite poi head. You have to slow down the spin but speed up your hand. As your hands start making bigger circles you need to twist your torso for the stretch. I do a dip/twist/open on each side to make that cross. Giant movements. Heavy poi help too.

hey, i saw this one dude totally fre dancin a while ago, but the flame was blue and green. does anyone know how to change the color of the flame when perfoming fire dancin? cause im kinda new to the whole thing, but i really got the hang of it all. cept for this little trick. so, any idea's or knowledge of it?

I've been playing with isolations for awhile now, I belive i got the iso weave down (5 beat weave)....

Let me know what yal think about this video. I do a fair amount of isolations in the second burn. ENJOY!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8Oz7sT8ho8

nice isolated weaves! I've been working on mine for a few months and I'm just starting to get the forwards one.

i worked up to mine by getting the isolated buzzsaw down solid, and then spinning a "buzzsaw" with one poi outside my arms, to get my hands used to isolating with the poi outside. that seemed to help give me a better foundation for moving from the buzzsaw to the weave.

also, I've managed to do something of a point iso by almost stalling the poi vertically and spinning by hand around it really quick. That only works for one beat though. I think I've heard people talk about real point isos somewhere else tho.

I'm looking for some further help/instruction. I may post a new thread because the move I'm wondering, I'm still not sure if it's just a super excellent isolation weave or something else entirely.


At the current moment, I cannot for the life of me figure out in which video Nick mentioned it in, but he mentioned a move called "Rock the Cradle" and he specifically mentioned the poi spinners in Japan, and the only examples I can clearly see of it are in some of yuta's videos:
the first and best is the seminal yuta video seen here:
2:12-2:24

and also here:
1:25-1:31

Is this just a super isolation move or is he crossing chains and doing something called "rock the cradle"?

might be hybrids or just doing isolations in wallplane

in the first vid its a bit easier to see. Anyway looks like one of 2 things, either he's doing some really really good isolations (kinda hybridy for part of the circle...) or he's grabbing the opposite change and keeping the separation. Personally I think its chain grabbing, and the only reason being that I think I see the chains slack a bit at certain points between his hands while the part outside the hands stays taught. But I could be wrong.

Imbalance, that's what I thought. And that's what I think Nick Woolsey is referring to when he referred to the "Rock the Cradle" move. A sort of grabbing of the chains and doing an isolation weave with it, but I can't figure out the hand movements.

Is there anyone else out there that has a video of this move, or who does this move, and can explain it?

surely its jus an isolated fountain?

the hand movements aren't that bad actually, go grab a staff or a pole or something of appropriate length and try and mimic what he's doing. You'll quickly find you just wind up one way then unwind the other. it looks like he's crossing over as well as part of the wind/unwind process.

Imbalance:

The problem is I cannot see what he is doing to mimic it, which is why I'm looking for

a. a better specifically written out explanation

or

b. a better video demo of all the hand movements

The reason I'm asking, is because try as I might, I can't figure out where his hands are going. If I knew exactly where his hands were going, I wouldn't be asking for help with this move, I'd be out trying to perfect it .

can you do a fountain? if not learn it, then just isolate that move

They're just very clean isolated weaves turned in wall plane... Still very hard, but I don't think there's any chain grabbing going on, just a high level of skill.

simta:

so basically... an isolated fountain without the overhead motion?

chutney: thank you, that makes more sense. I think i need to video myself to see how close I'm getting. I'll let you guys know when I do that.

Thanks for the feedback everyone.

p.s. - if yuta isn't grabbing the chains in these videos... then what was nick saying in regards to "rock the cradle"? has anyone else ever heard of that move?