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#758148 - 01/08/06 03:28 AM Re: Doubles Isolated Antispin [Re: simian]
ado-p Pirate Ninja Registered: 13/05/04 Loc: Galway/Ireland	You guys are funny _________________________ Love is the law.
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#758149 - 01/08/06 03:29 AM Re: Doubles Isolated Antispin [Re: mcp]
coleman big and good and broken Registered: 29/08/02 Loc: lunn dunn, yoo kay	why retrograde monkey? because to you, as the spinner, the motion of the wicks exhibits a retrograde motion (in the classic ptolemaic sense) 'hypocycloid' (which is a pattern produced by epicyclic motion) as cool sounding as it is, is specific to circle-circle relationships (and so is 'hypotrochoid', before you go suggesting that one too!). i feel your want for more semantics though - there just isn't enough of it on hop is there to be honest though simian, i reckon your definition of "a circle that moves on a path that can be any pattern at all" is just another way of saying "spinning" cole. x _________________________ "i see you at 'dis cafe. i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself. they do porridge." - tim westwood
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#758150 - 01/08/06 03:39 AM Re: Doubles Isolated Antispin [Re: coleman]
simian 110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY Registered: 11/10/02 Loc: London	retrograde - oh i seeeeee. nice term. But hypocycloid so wins. retrograde doesn't sound Giant Robot-ish enough you see. Written by: coleman to be honest though simian, i reckon your definition of "a circle that moves on a path that can be any pattern at all" is just another way of saying "spinning" erm... it wasn't my definition. it was yours. and that was the point i was making. so nerrr go read my post again for my definition. Its in the bit where i stop simply rambling, and actually start cross-country running instead.
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#758151 - 01/08/06 03:42 AM Re: Doubles Isolated Antispin [Re: simian]
simian 110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY Registered: 11/10/02 Loc: London	and the reason i want this "weakly-defined term to describe the school of thought / aesthetic impression / motivation / etcetera behind all this anti-spinny, super-spinny, retrograde, second-order business" isn't just to add terminology, but to preserve the stuff we have from being bastardized. If we have a ready-bastardized term, then we can use that any time we feel like being a bit vague, innit? _________________________ "Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
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#758152 - 01/08/06 03:44 AM Re: Doubles Isolated Antispin [Re: simian]
simian 110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY Registered: 11/10/02 Loc: London	hmm, actually... i'm going off "hypocycloid" and really coming round to "bastardized" now... Check my bastardized windmill! oh yeah. i like it... _________________________ "Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
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#758153 - 01/08/06 03:46 AM Re: Doubles Isolated Antispin [Re: coleman]
mcp Flying Water Muppet Registered: 20/05/03 Loc: Edin-borrow.	Written by: coleman "that's some sh!thot retrograde spinning you got going on there" "that's a retrograde pattern i've never seen before - what are the component patterns?" I'm voting for calling them weird patterns... "that's some sh!thot weird pattern spinning you got going on there" "that's a weird pattern i've never seen before - what are the component patterns?" Roulettes rock my world! _________________________ "the now legendary" - Kaskade "the still legendary" - Kaskade I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
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#758154 - 01/08/06 03:49 AM Re: Doubles Isolated Antispin [Re: simian]
coleman big and good and broken Registered: 29/08/02 Loc: lunn dunn, yoo kay	Written by: simian erm... it wasn't my definition. it was yours. and that was the point i was making. oops, so it was your original definition only mentioned one centre of rotation though so it was kinda limited to full-arm, elbow, wrist and isolated circles. so nerr i found hypocycloid anyway so i guess i should just be chuffed that i've now defined more names for staff spinning than i have poi but really, 'compound pattern' quite blatently covers all this stuff and has been in use for ages is anyone else here starting to get the feeling that simian is an escapee from that room filled with infinite monkeys that were hired a few years back to sit at a typewriter and type out random stuff until one of them came up with the complete works of shakespeare...? cole. x _________________________ "i see you at 'dis cafe. i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself. they do porridge." - tim westwood
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#758155 - 01/08/06 03:52 AM Re: Doubles Isolated Antispin [Re: simian]
mcp Flying Water Muppet Registered: 20/05/03 Loc: Edin-borrow.	"what's that bizarre triangle anti-spin windmill thing that you isolate half way through thing called?" "it's a weird pattern." weird pattern for teh win! _________________________ "the now legendary" - Kaskade "the still legendary" - Kaskade I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
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#758156 - 01/08/06 03:10 PM Re: Doubles Isolated Antispin [Re: coleman]
ben-ja-men just lost .... evil init Registered: 12/06/03 Loc: Adelaide	Written by: coleman 'hypocycloid' (which is a pattern produced by epicyclic motion) as cool sounding as it is, is specific to circle-circle relationships (and so is 'hypotrochoid', before you go suggesting that one too!). oh come now cole dont be all discriminatary like .... straight lines are just radially challenged or "big boned" with their radii being of the infinite variety sweet job with the pics meg its stopped the text from making my brain hemorrhage has anyone tried these patterns with long doubles? _________________________ Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
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#758157 - 01/08/06 09:06 PM Re: Doubles Isolated Antispin [Re: ben-ja-men]
simian 110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY Registered: 11/10/02 Loc: London	Written by: ben-ja-men has anyone tried these patterns with long doubles? What's your definition of long? When you get beyond the four point patterns, they start getting a bit big for 5foot doubles. For me anyway... I worked out 4 point "cross wick" antispin weave with four footers, which are probably the same size to me as five foots are to you ben And straight lines can be made with circle-circle relationships anyhoo...
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#758158 - 01/08/06 09:51 PM Re: Doubles Isolated Antispin [Re: simian]
mo-seph enthusiast Registered: 24/02/04 Loc: Edinburgh, UK	Personally, I'd call anything where you artificially fix the point of rotation of a body to a point or curve (whether it's on that body or not) isolation. It seems like it's the only way to make it mean all the things people make it mean. You could have "non-centroidal" (centre of rotation doesn't go through centre of mass). I guess off center would work, but that would probably make people change their grips. "Mime", because you're pretending things work with different physical laws than they really do, for "artistic" effect. "non-concentric" poly(centered\|circular) _________________________ monkeys ate my brain
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#758159 - 01/08/06 09:57 PM Re: Doubles Isolated Antispin [Re: mo-seph]
mcp Flying Water Muppet Registered: 20/05/03 Loc: Edin-borrow.	_________________________ "the now legendary" - Kaskade "the still legendary" - Kaskade I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
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#758160 - 01/08/06 10:03 PM Re: Doubles Isolated Antispin [Re: mcp]
Richee HOP librarian Registered: 15/01/02 Loc: Prague	Even flowers have names. Rose for mcp. lighting, :R
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#758161 - 01/08/06 11:04 PM Re: Doubles Isolated Antispin [Re: Richee]
coleman big and good and broken Registered: 29/08/02 Loc: lunn dunn, yoo kay	ahh, i love geometric spinning ladies and gentlemen, may i introduce... the trammel of archimedes: and after discovering this, i realised something mo-seph mentioned up there leads to complete and utter crazyness: start mixing off centre grips with the hand patterns that we've already discovered cole. x p.s. for those that care - roses are the 'pedals' of hypocycloids if you're as geeky as me, you can investigate that (including the ramifications of an off centre grip) for yourself here. _________________________ "i see you at 'dis cafe. i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself. they do porridge." - tim westwood
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#758162 - 02/08/06 11:26 PM Re: Doubles Isolated Antispin [Re: coleman]
ado-p Pirate Ninja Registered: 13/05/04 Loc: Galway/Ireland	So who's going to design the simulator then? _________________________ Love is the law.
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#758163 - 03/08/06 12:27 AM Re: Doubles Isolated Antispin [Re: ado-p]
mcp Flying Water Muppet Registered: 20/05/03 Loc: Edin-borrow.	trammel of archimedes, or hands move in a cross. first off weird thing, shrunk cross anti-spin: trammel: doubled up... with hands: with wicks; expanded: doubled up: with hands: with wicks: at some point I really will get around to drawing pictures of anti-spin weaves... honest gov'nor _________________________ "the now legendary" - Kaskade "the still legendary" - Kaskade I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
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#758164 - 03/08/06 03:37 AM Re: Doubles Isolated Antispin [Re: mcp]
simian 110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY Registered: 11/10/02 Loc: London	Written by: megasaurus at some point I really will get around to drawing pictures of anti-spin weaves... honest gov'nor hmmmmm, well you could weave pretty much any of these patterns, can'tcha? My normal 3beat 4point cross-wick antispin weaves should look like this: (but actually tend to look more like this) But with a little ( ) practice i could emphasize different parts, or change hand position in certain bits, and end up with... erm... most of the stuff you've posted. Definitely not the stuff you'd have to be twelve foot tall to spin. I'm not that tall. Not even slightly. _________________________ "Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
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#758165 - 03/08/06 03:41 AM Re: Doubles Isolated Antispin [Re: simian]
mcp Flying Water Muppet Registered: 20/05/03 Loc: Edin-borrow.	looks like your sticks are too short for your arms and you're spinning more like: which is cool. Some weaves do weird things and aren't exactly in time or move out to other patterns and then back into weaves, so I'd like to get an idea of how they look, for purely my own benefit... _________________________ "the now legendary" - Kaskade "the still legendary" - Kaskade I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
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#758166 - 03/08/06 03:58 AM Re: Doubles Isolated Antispin [Re: mcp]
coleman big and good and broken Registered: 29/08/02 Loc: lunn dunn, yoo kay	disclaimer: i can't do double staff weaves yet your hands have to move past each other in a weave so would a perfectly isolated doubles antispin cross weave would not require your hands (or bits of your stick) to pass through each other? hence why your one looks like it does in that absolutely amazing bit of photography you linked to monkus. very much looking forward to being proved completely wrong cole. x _________________________ "i see you at 'dis cafe. i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself. they do porridge." - tim westwood
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#758167 - 03/08/06 10:01 AM Re: Doubles Isolated Antispin [Re: coleman]
simian 110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY Registered: 11/10/02 Loc: London	Meg - I thought my arms were too short for the sticks at certain parts of the pattern, particular crossed arm horizontal bits. Maybe the ends were overlapping, rather than being extended. Or quite possible being extended at certain points and then overlapping when my arms crossed. The photo will only be one bit of the weave pattern (looks like a pretty awesome "single circle" photo captured by the magic Mr Coleman ) So hmm... probably its at an extended bit, because my arms are uncrossed in that funky archery type position that antispin weaves put you into. Cole - umm no. I'm pretty sure it is possible. But i really can't explain why, cause I'm not sure why you think it isn't... _________________________ "Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
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