Drews Poi and Stick Video Blog

I like the kazoo guy.

Puppets are cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA-GA9wL61A

9 minutes of russian bouncy goodness.

by the way, i am very ugly.

Strugz.

That is incredible :o

http://drawn.ca/2006/10/03/the-human-camera/

A man with a quite incredible photographic memory and abilty to reproduce from memory.

Autism is so interesting.

Cool video.

I offially declare cats to be on topic for this post only:

Where is your kitty?
http://shadowdane.shackspace.com/cats.htm

Drew, that was funny, and I definately saw some of those kittys manipulating objects so "technically"...its on topic!

who wants to come to the tate modern
"buildings throughout the world should have slides"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/3681938.stm

B-Boy BATTLE
Salah vs Tommy Boy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fadiw2noLMs&NR

Gets a bit long in the second half, but watch the first half

ME me ME!

I want to come to the tate modern with you on Wednesday morning!

Are you busy?

ps. I am serious

pps. I loved the man with a kazoo and a guitar. Well, I love his little pupetty friend more. He is credited with getting me to finish my thesis

Where the hell is Matt

Wonderfull video of a man dancing around the world. The sound is great too

Kick ass Parkour

This the best parkour vid I've ever seen. Again, turn up the sound if you can

Not sure if I'll be shouted at for this being off topic...but its certainly a very bizarre illusion...

Man with odd head illusion

Sorry meg.... I didnt realise that parkour didnt have flips in it... I could see the xma well enough....

Its still a bloody awesome video.

don't listen to her aiden - its bullsh*t that that video's not parkour.

if you are serious meg, at least give us your narrowminded definition of what you think parkour is so we can laugh at you properly.

i'm with aiden - that's one of the best parkour videos i've seen in a good while.


cole. x

p.s. old video of david and cyril doing parkour with plenty flips:
http://www.parkour-videos.com/on-avance-toujours-et-vous

okay, so like david belle influenced by his father made parkour. And then he defined it as being any movement of the human body used when in an emergency situation, ie, to escape from someone / something or to rescue or to reach. So parkour is to get from one place to another in the most efficient way possible. (thou not necessarily the most effficient route.)

So why when you're trying to run away from a lion do you do a full twisting straight gainer off a wall? You would save yourself, your energy and the chance of a bad landing by just jumping off it.

David belle has explicitly stated that flips aren't parkour. He made up the art, are you going to argue with him?

Flips can be part of the art d'deplacement and of the 'method natural' made by george herbert, (french dude) which parkour had roots in also, but flips aren't part of parkour.

And if we're being very exact none of what you see on that video is parkour. It's just training for parkour. (flips can be training for parkour) It's like saying that a video of someone learning first aid on a doll is in fact first aid. It's not. First aid is when you use the stuff you've learned on somebody when they need it. It's the same with parkour.

purist claptrap i say!

this is the whole free-running-is-not-parkour 'debate' [yawn]

the original definition of parkour is so limiting that i don't believe anyone other than belle can really be considered to have ever been a traceur - and these days, belle doesn't perform pk either.

videos of parkour would be boring as its just somone running (unless they actually had the lion chasing them in it too ) - even that old vid of belle back in the woods had somersaults in it

you say "parkour is to get from one place to another in the most efficient way possible. (thou not necessarily the most effficient route.)"
which is not only somewhat of a contradiction, its backwards - its *all* about the route.
the vaults and jumps are just used to stop you having to run around an object or find some stairs.

ben aoues said: “The most important thing really is the harmony between you and the obstacle; the movement has to be elegant, that's what will make it prettier. Length and distance only add to the beauty of the move, if you manage to pass over the fence elegantly that's beautiful, rather than saying ‘I jumped the lot.’ What's the point in that?”

that doesn't sound like the purist "its only parkour if i'm pretending to be running away from a lion" standpoint to me...

even seb foucan uses 'parkour' and 'free running' interchangably - his philosophy on the whole artform is far more universal than belle's and he seems to prefer to manifest different aspects of parkour depending on what he wishes to achieve at any one particular time.

anyway, just about every video i have seen with david belle, most of them produced years back, have some kind of flip in them - i challenge you to find me a david belle video that doesn't have any unnecessary movement in it whatsoever.

i reckon this is a case of someone trying to hold onto their claim to a movement style and deny any evolution of it unless they instigate that evolution - its sad:

david belle does 'parkour' - everyone else does 'free running'.
micheal moshecn does 'dynamic manipulation' - everyone else does 'contact juggling'.


its semantics and at the end of the day, you are technically correct meg.

but i am totally happy to disagree with belle and say that parkour has evolved beyond his original definition, and much of the reason for that evolution is his own blurring of the lines when performing parkour.


besides, how many lions do you get chasing you around cities these days anyway?!


cole. x

depends how many terrorists decide to blow up the zoo. If you'd seen the psychotic leopard pacing up and down in ours, you'd be scared.

There is no 'pure' or 'purist' parkour. There is only parkour. There is also the art of movement(art d'deplacement), but blatently, because that has a different name, it's not parkour.

Yes indeed, it is pretty boring to debate this again, mostly because I have the founder of parkour on my side, and because your wrong. I don't argue siteswap with you, why do you argue parkour with me?

With parkour, when somebody is chasing you, you might choose a different route to when a lion is chasing you. A person might have to stop and climb over a railing that you vaulted and the lion might run under it. If you're trying to get away from somebody a circular route can be useful. So the route doesn't have to be efficient, only the movement. A more efficient route energy wise would be walking around the obstacles. Which is why I clarified my definition.

Jerome ben aoues has changed his tune since he said that. For freerunning / the art of movement that's perfectly acceptable. It's still not that case for parkour. Thou that does generally come with the training anyway.

"Even" seb foucan? seb foucan? Seb didn't help 'found' parkour. He learned from david for a while.

Daivd belle with no flips? The b13 intro. done. It's been posted loads before also. Mostly by me.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vToKQ5QwTD0

so if you were trying to get work as a juggler, you'd make a promo video with just siteswap? No arms mills, no btb... no you'd include everything you can do. Like david did.

Hey is <X> parkour? No it's you jumping about in a foam pit.

http://parkour.net/parkour/articles/item.php?itemid=16

and even better:

http://parkour.net/modules/newbb/viewtop...e=0&start=0

scroll down to the pkdanno post.

If you're trying to wind me up, you have done. well done.


<edit> david belle isn't trying to hold onto the definition. The community of long term dedicated traceurs is. Including me.

and this totally isn't the place for this discussion.

Look! My post had a video in!

i'll pm yoo instead


cole. x

I like running around with no clothes on

Durbs you missed outthe video link!

ooops, yep - sorry

http://www.burnttoast.co.uk/streak_lrg.avi

Didja click it hmmm? Didja?

Dude....look at my avatar...are you reallythat suprised?

i take most of what i said up there back.

ultimately: i'm wrong, meg's right (dammit! )

that ain't parkour though (and nor is pretty much any other video you've seen of people running around outside).

free running it is, parkour it ain't.

what i learnt today:
its a complicated issue as parkour has been grossly misrepresented by the media as well as by some of the people you'd least expect it from.

parkour has a strong philosophy and history behind it that very few people (as far as i can see it) understand.

mr belle didn;t do a great job of communicating that philosophy or setting parkour apart from the other (often very similar looking) activities he exhibits.

as such, i don't think there's much chance of the ethos of pk spreading much further thqan it already has and there's a much greater chance of free running becoming the more popular and more widely accepted form of this style of movement.


cole. x

*apologies to droo for the temporary thread derailment*

Kautshukkiakrobaatti Ten Belkier, Musikaalinen klovni Mr. Bunny, Francis & Lotte Bruun @ Cabaret Kaivohuone, Helsinki, Finland 1947

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