er... cos vertical ones are faster and tend to fall off quicker? Have you got the centerpoint in the right place, and you're not just throwing it over your neck?

glass: Well I would like to think I had done some of those things: "Sometimes "catch" is a naughty word" and: " Correct position of hand, arm, or elbow Balance point of baton"
thou maybe not: "Maintain a positive attitude when teaching rolls" and "Break the roll down into its elements so that the athlete has a complete understanding of what will make it work."
I think maybe you are taking elements to a lower level than I am. I would have 'assumed' those elements were the two elbow wraps and the hand transfer in between. (I'm sure you know the movement I'm talking about) I take it you would break it down further?
Anyway, I'm not training atheletes, I'm training HIPPIES!
Oh is it? I thought it was that it rolled down my arm instead of just wrapping my shoulder.
>You should search harder or think more sideways. there are loads more
this is the kind of annoying gimpiness that annoys me. Examples, explainations? Or just annoying silence?
I know maybe five times the amount of movements that are shown in those videos. But I would decribe them all using names from those videos. (Or in reference to them) (apart from the lynx, but maybe I would refer to the elbow wrap...) Hmmm, maybe pinches could be added....