Base Contact Movements

meg matey you need a nice big ignore drew hes just jeolous of your ability to display tummy during videos regardless of the move

ill do a lynx video for you if i can find appropriate attire to keep in the theme of the videos, aka a wig and glasses ..... im not sure if ill be able to manage a belly exposure in the clip or not though ill have to practise some more first

Well i'll make a special rule for you ben-ja-men, that you have to do it topless in snow.

la la la...

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Body Part Spins

Shoulder Wraps

The Pivot

Well, well.

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Excellent thread, meg, much respect!

Done .

How you see "key" moves?
As key moves I meen those that travese transitions between base contact movements.

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I don't understand.

'key' movements? I don't think there are any key transitions between contact moves. There are just ones you learn. None are really more important than others, and contact isn't really any more 'key' than spinning...

or maybe you mean like modes of movement? Like stepping, rolling, wrapping, spinning, stalling etc?

Yes, the modes, I think the are answer, why we cant put every two moves togeter. Its like take a move, bring anoter and glue the with right mode.

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if you start to get all notationy and scientific on my ass, I will have to run away....

all you'd need are the points that the staff can contact on, on your body, the plane it's in, and the way it's contacting. Adn then you've have a notation of movements, with the transitions implied. You might need some way of writing how you enter and exit the movement, but otherwise... I don't think anything else is needed...

Thank ye muchly meg. I finally got the matrix after months, months I tell you, of trying. For some strange reason I was doing a half matrix to get out of neck spins.

Notation = no. Video = yes!

I do respect it.

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Hi Meg,

Shoulder wraps 1:43 sec - ah hem, you might want to edit that!!!

Also why do the clips seem to have sound included in the files??

I think that the teaching resource is brilliant, but I don't understand the classifications, I'm not sure what you mean by "base movement". eg Why is a "pivot" a base move when its a combination of 2 other moves?
For me I would say that most of these clips show families - like shoulder wraps
or heads of families shows matrix then other matrix variations/family members. (eg your Matrix clip)

A "fundamental" move might be a
a flat spin - horizontal on the palm or any part of the body. and other simpler movements like this
a wrap -
a roll -
a hold -
a trap -
a walk - (with the staff)
a balance
- etc etc.

Any comments/ can you explain?

Smiles and thanks again
Drew

I've done it again and been boring haven't I. Ummm Sorry

I could teach the various 'components' that make up all those 'big' contact movements, but I don't believe it would actually help to learn those big movements. It would probably only serve to confuse and force people to reinvent the wheel. (and maybe reinvent contact movements too.)

I called them base, cos a: they seem to be the bases for many variations, and they are the ones I would teach people, then tell them about the variations. (Like I do in the videos.)

I mean, I keep searching about, but I haven't found a contact move (that isn't 'static') that's radically different from them. (a new family)

I should maybe put the throat / chest / throat version of the halo 360 in there, but I've already put the word version in.... I would consider the sweep too, if it wasn't so easy. And a variation on the snes.

I just put the pivot in cos it's cool. I mean, why put the angel roll in, when it's kindof a halo roll variation, or also a vertical steve variation in some ways. It's just different enough to be worth teaching.


oh, yeah and the shoulder wraps... oh well, I'm sure people will get the idea from the twenty other times I do it properly... And if not, orange will slap them.

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I think what I'm saying is: Yes Drew you're right, but I don't want to be completely correct, proper and accurate, I just to teach people.

If a contact staff notation had appealed to me, I would have made one already. (thou the idea is growing on me.)

and I agree with richee. This discussion is rather interesting, in the otherwise nuclear wasteland of the staff forums.

Quote Meg: "I could teach the various 'components' that make up all those 'big' contact movements, but I don't
> believe it would actually help to learn those big movements. It would probably only serve to confuse and force
> people to reinvent the wheel. (and maybe reinvent contact movements too.) "

Kathy Forsyth from Twirlmania doesn't agree with you:
http://www.twirlmania.com/TIPSrolls.htm
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Quote Meg: " I keep searching about, I haven't found a contact move (that isn't 'static') that's radically different
> from them. (a new family) "
You should search harder or think more sideways. there are loads more

Not really about notation, I agree that would be a waste of time, more about classification/understanding.

As for my first comment above, "Shoulder wraps 1:43 sec" it a revese/forwards being reversed. I was trying to be subtle for you

megs a question - why can i do horizontal neck wraps and not vertical ones?