#645898 - 21/10/05 12:18 PM
Re: fishtails
[Re: Richee]
|
Flying Water Muppet
Registered: 20/05/03
Loc: Edin-borrow.
|
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#645899 - 21/10/05 12:38 PM
Re: fishtails
[Re: mcp]
|
Dreamer
Registered: 15/03/02
Loc: York, England
|
Well, there is that  But then I'm not really a contact person, mostly thru a lack of being able to figure out anything that is more than a transition from hand to hand... oh, i suck. i'm going back to throws lol. But I do see how i might learn to get an actual fishtail if i keep this up... which makes meg useful,. amazingly enough. because she seems to have explained something when no one else could. who knew. i thought her sole purpose in life was to pretend she was cool and talk a lot of [censored]... 
_________________________
Keep your dream alive
Dreamin is still how the strong survive
Shalom VeAhavah
New Hampshire has a point....
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#645901 - 21/10/05 01:06 PM
Re: fishtails
[Re: mcp]
|
Dreamer
Registered: 15/03/02
Loc: York, England
|
I have a few swords you could borrow
_________________________
Keep your dream alive
Dreamin is still how the strong survive
Shalom VeAhavah
New Hampshire has a point....
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#645902 - 12/11/05 06:41 AM
Re: fishtails
[Re: Kyrian]
|
I like devilstick...
Registered: 10/05/04
Loc: Falmouth
|
Errm.. sorry to make this thread vaugley serious, but i've just learnt fishtails with devilstick using the hand stick instad of my hand (i thought i better clarifiy that) which mushypea steve showed me once (he invented fishtails, good old steve) i've learnt them on both hands forwards. other than backwards fishtails what 'tricks' are there? Cheers for your help
p.s hi byrn hows not college going?
_________________________
Does this site actually exist? Or am i talking to all my other personalities?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#645903 - 12/11/05 08:21 AM
Re: fishtails
[Re: Devilstick_Russell]
|
It's a f*ckin' Ball, innit.
Registered: 31/08/04
Loc: Bristol
|
Russell, Dude! Reverse is easier than forwards, in my opinion. Anyway, come to a devilstick thread, and I will explain a few bits... Although... the same moves do apply to staff as well... ok. The Furtner Fish. is a fishtail on both hands, one after the other. or buzzsaw, fishtail to right, back in, fishtail to left, back in, repeat, rinse etc... transitions between forward. reverse fishtails with 180/360 degree turns and the like... I find that fishtails are a great way to go into some contact moves as well. such as fishtail, wrist, elbow, halo, elbow, wrist, fishtail etc. (this reminds me, I must ask DsAds how to get into the SNES with a DS... Catches into fishtails as well... The list is quite long... 
_________________________
Elements of the past and the future, combining to make something not quite as good as either...
Step (To Bluecat): That's something I can imagine Ed doing, only cleaner and better.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#645904 - 12/11/05 03:08 PM
Re: fishtails
[Re: Learning_To_Cook]
|
HOP librarian
Registered: 15/01/02
Loc: Prague
|
Reverse do not meen backward. Reverse Fishtales you can do with doubles. Fishtale is something like a staff Reel or Figure8.
Try Fishtale Pendulums, something like the simple throwin one devilstick head between hands.
:R
_________________________
POI THEO(R)IST
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#645905 - 12/11/05 06:05 PM
Re: fishtails
[Re: Devilstick_Russell]
|
Pooh-Bah
Registered: 12/06/03
Loc: Adelaide
|
Written by: Devilstick_Russell
which mushypea steve showed me once (he invented fishtails, good old steve)
um i think ull find fishtails have their origins in baton twirling .....
anyway some things u can do with fishtails pasted from here
Fishtail Family
The fishtail family finds its origin in baton twirling, and is usually performed on the back of the hand or wrist region, this movement is what is commonly referred to as fishtails. The fishtail movement causes the staff to move in a path such that it traces out a circle with each end of the staff resulting in two separate circles. The staff stays in contact with the part of the body that the fishtail is being performed on such that if it was performed perfectly it would be stationary relative to the body part.
Due to the dimensions of batons fishtails can be performed in front of or to the side of the body with minimal arm movements, the same is also true of short staffs. Performing fishtails with a long staff can be achieved with minimal arm movement on the side of the body however to do it in front of the body requires a much larger arm movement. For this reason when first learning fishtails it is recommended that they are first learnt on the side of the body. All of the movements can be performed in both the forwards and backwards direction, the forwards direction is where the staff is rotating away from you and backwards is where the staff is rotating towards you.
Vertical Fishtails
To learn both forwards and backwards vertical fishtails it is necessary to understand where the staff is going to be moving and how to keep the rhythm of the movement. The first step is to get a feel for the path that the staff is going to be moving. To do this first hold the staff in front of your body with both hands with your palms facing in the same direction roughly shoulder width apart. Then slowly guide the staff such that the right end of the staff creates a circle on the right hand side of your body and the left end of the staff creates a circle on the left hand side of your body. After becoming comfortable with this movement continue the motion of the staff, keep your upper body stationary and rotate your feet ninety degrees so that you doing the motion on the side of your body. These are the paths of the staff for all vertical fishtails.
Two Handed Fishtails
Resting the staff on the back of both hands spaced two hand widths apart move the staff through the fishtail movement, the second hand acts to stop the staff falling off.
One Beat Fishtails
Once you have a feel for the path that the staff is going to travel the next step is to learn the hand movement, starting with your palm facing down towards the ground trace out an infinity system in front of your body. When your palm is facing directly down to the ground this is when the staff is parallel to the ground. This is where you begin to transfer the staff from one side of your body to the other. If you try to transfer the staff to the other side of your body when the staff is not parallel to the ground it will slide off your hand this effect is most noticeable on forwards fishtails. To get the feel of how to move your hand relative to the staff start by passing the staff from back of one hand to the back of the other hand. Once this is occurring in a slow controlled manner when the staff comes over the hand that you want to learn the fishtail on turn one hundred and eighty degrees and carry the staff round on the back of your hand. Pass the staff from the back of the hand to the back of the other hand again until you are ready to turn back the opposite way with the staff on the same hand. This method can be used to learn both forwards and backwards fishtails. For example to learn backwards fishtails on your right hand the staff will be rotating anticlockwise in front of you, when the staff rolls over the back of your right hand your will turn clockwise one hundred and eighty degrees stepping either your left or right leg and carry the staff around on the back of your right hand. The staff will now be rotating clockwise in front of you, when the staff rolls over the back of your right hand you will step anti clockwise one hundred and eighty degrees and carry the staff back.
Once you have the feel for how to take the fishtail movement from one side of your body to the other you can do the method outlined above without the back hand to back hand passing in between turning from one side to the other. Once this motion has been made solid it can the same motion can be done but keeping your feet still. It is recommended that you work on increasing the number of beats you can get consistently rather than trying to go straight for continuous fishtails as this will help you to focus on good technique rather than lots of fishtails with poor technique. It is very important to get this solidly in both the forwards and backwards direction as this is fundamental to the rest of the movements outlined in this section.
Variations
Two beat fishtail - has a sneaky thumb reach under
Three beat fishtail - Moseph style requires a video
Elbow Fishtail
Forwards Elbow Fishtail Closed Arm
roll over back of hand draw hand into a tight closed horizontal elbow, then turn 180 degrees with arm. And back move arm in an arc shape so do a small throw type movement where the staff only just stays in contact with the arm
Forwards Elbow Fishtail Open Arm
Backwards Elbow Fishtail Closed Arm
Backwards Elbow Fishtail Open Arm
Shoulder Fishtail
Back of the Neck Fishtail (its do able ive seen it, its just stupidly hard)
Foot Fishtails - the secret is in the transition to the foot
Inverted Fishtails - staff is in position 5 with the fingers facing the person
Horizontal Fishtails
Vertical Fishtail Transitions
Transitions to Other Body Parts
Hand Fishtail to Elbow Roll
Fishtail to Opposite Direction Fishtail
Forwards Fishtail to Backwards Fishtail Roll
fishtailing to the side of you when staff comes infront of your body, bring opposite hand over the top so you end up back hand to back hand as the staff rolls onto opposite hand
Backwards Fishtail to Forwards Fishtail Roll
as fishtail comes behind your body place opposite hand on top back hand to backhand bring the staff up towards your head in the vertical plane behind your body then bring your hands down to your side to open behind you in a forwards fishtail
Fishtail to Angel Roll
as doing a reverse fishtail as you cross your body half way across go back to the direction you originally came from instead of finishing the movement
Transition on the same body part
Fishtail to Opposite Direction Fishtail
forward fishtail (rh) when its behind you turn right into backwards fishtail
Fishtail to propeller
forward fishtail rh propeller in front and to the right of you back into forwards fishtail
forward fishtail rh propeller in front of you into backwards
- same in reverse
Fishtail Carry
forwards fishtail carry – spin 360 with the staff on the back of your hand
backwards fishtail carry – spin 360 with the staff on the back of your hand
Fishtail fountain
backwards fishtail fountain
backwards inverted fishtail fountain
Fishtail to Horizontal Stall
– horizontal stall to fishtail in opposite direction
Fishtail pop
Throw it for ½ a spin in between changing sides
_________________________
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#645906 - 13/11/05 02:29 AM
Re: fishtails
[Re: ben-ja-men]
|
Also known as bryn (((Not Nate :-P )))
Registered: 11/08/04
Loc: Wellington somerset, UK
|
Russel!!!!! firstly nice on the fishtails, i got them going staff on staff these days so almost like yours. Not college ness is absoutly amazingly fun. been doing the odd bit of performance stuff, and lots of physics your self??
_________________________
Drawings by chalk minds, strech between the stars
Kyle Mclean-
Contact without dance is like sex without wiggling.
A) it does feel as good
B) it does not look as good on film
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#645907 - 15/11/05 01:48 AM
Re: fishtails
[Re: Lavatwilight]
|
I like devilstick...
Registered: 10/05/04
Loc: Falmouth
|
English my friend in falmouth i've met sooooo many people who know oli one guyntold me to watch a video that i was actually in twas zher funny, [censored] im late for a lecture talk again soon sorry...
_________________________
Does this site actually exist? Or am i talking to all my other personalities?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#645908 - 15/11/05 02:09 AM
Re: fishtails
[Re: Devilstick_Russell]
|
I like devilstick...
Registered: 10/05/04
Loc: Falmouth
|
Ta da i've started a devil stick fishtail thread in 'other toys' The thread is here I really want to master fishtails of the devilstick basically because they are so rare no devil sticker has ever shown them to me and none of the books on devil stick i read when i was little talked about them.
_________________________
Does this site actually exist? Or am i talking to all my other personalities?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#645909 - 15/11/05 02:13 AM
Re: fishtails
[Re: Devilstick_Russell]
|
From the Ashes of a Ninja Rise THE HIPS OF RAGE
Registered: 08/07/03
Loc: Edinburgh
|
dsads can do them very very well
_________________________
Viva UGLY STAFF
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#645912 - 02/12/05 02:26 AM
Re: fishtails
[Re: Rusto]
|
I like devilstick...
Registered: 10/05/04
Loc: Falmouth
|
can anyone point me in the direction of some short staff fishtail videos? about 1 or 2 mins just to get some ideas from. Cheers if you can help
_________________________
Does this site actually exist? Or am i talking to all my other personalities?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#645913 - 02/12/05 02:32 PM
Re: fishtails
[Re: Devilstick_Russell]
|
It's a f*ckin' Ball, innit.
Registered: 31/08/04
Loc: Bristol
|
Russell, you don't need any short staff vids, any normal staff vids will do. It's all pretty similar, excapt a devilstick is shorter, and that needs to be taken into account.
_________________________
Elements of the past and the future, combining to make something not quite as good as either...
Step (To Bluecat): That's something I can imagine Ed doing, only cleaner and better.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#645914 - 03/12/05 12:49 AM
Re: fishtails
[Re: Learning_To_Cook]
|
I like devilstick...
Registered: 10/05/04
Loc: Falmouth
|
Sorry man i meant short in length of time not length of staff, woops shoulda seen that confusion coming. I just wanna see whats possible and get inspired but i'm using the uni computers and really big downloads will arouse suspision and get me in trouble so i can't download three hours of staff or anything
_________________________
Does this site actually exist? Or am i talking to all my other personalities?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#645915 - 03/12/05 11:34 PM
Re: fishtails
[Re: Devilstick_Russell]
|
Also known as bryn (((Not Nate :-P )))
Registered: 11/08/04
Loc: Wellington somerset, UK
|
russell, it becoming christmass soon, any fishy taily things you would like to see, just ask, and make sure we meet up somewhere, theres bound to be a big party some where as well, so stickage of the diddy and big varity, and lots of drinking in there as well somewhere???
if not then i can point you to a few videos (if they're still there)
try ben-ja-men's gallery
or megs site for a bit of fishtaily stuff
_________________________
Drawings by chalk minds, strech between the stars
Kyle Mclean-
Contact without dance is like sex without wiggling.
A) it does feel as good
B) it does not look as good on film
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#645916 - 04/12/05 01:51 AM
Re: fishtails
[Re: Lavatwilight]
|
ToadStool Circus Acts
Registered: 03/10/05
Loc: Derbyshire
|
Megs video tutorial i think has to be the best. Ive finally just got fishtails now. I have to do the moves in the order Meg does on her video but ive done them. Now just to master it.
_________________________
Yo-yoist, Staffer and 3 Ball and Club Juggling
'Its people like us, who make them feel talentless.'
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
|
Bookmark this page! / Email to a friend
... 
Previous Topic
Index