Anti spin weave

[now begins more rev musings.. whihc might be utterly pointless.. ]

I try to isolate mine

see I've found that the petals that you make when you spin concentrically can be lined up in a variety of ways.. the most popular being like the petals of forward flowers.. ie. bubbly.. but when you antispin, the petals are oval.. and antispin weaves (imo) spin more fluidly when the oval made by each poi line up together..

this also accounts, (I assume), for the funny feel of antispin.. unlike the circle which has an even pull throughout.. the oval is more like pulling between stalls.. say you take the two beats to crossover from a left over right arm to right over left arm in an antispin manner.. the picture you can imagine to be like a cat eye..

hopefully a helpful drawing..

1- is a picture of the normal orbit of something moving antispin for 1 bt..
2- is a picture of the 2 bt process by whihc one can make a full circle around a particular point..
3- is a picture of how with a bit of isolation you can change the shape of the petal slightly to make a wider and larger petal..
4- is a picture of the oval made when it all lines up..

the pics are kinda disprportionate.. since like al isoaltions it should shrink a bit in the top to bottom length..

interesting... those are different shapes from the ones i generally go for.

i generally try to take my antispin to star shapes (eg extremely thin petals)

taking that to an extreme, i'm very often aiming to accentuate linear isolations with [one big rotation:one small rotation] antispin
where ideally the poi head moves only in left + right axis, hand moves only in up + down axis, or vice versa. Like the stuff nix was chatting about ages ago.

at which point you could make a case for that not being "antispin" anymore, cos neither the head or your hand are going in a circle at all (though the poi is still clearly rotating, and it's centre of rotation moving contra)

Rev: what would you call an "isolated" antispin? What point are you isolating round? Where is the centre of rotation? How does it move? and other similar questions?

yeah, there are two prizes up for grabs, the 5 beat anti spin and the clean turning atom weave.

first person to post a vid will get the prize


the turning atom prize has been going for 2 years + now!

my decision will be final.

T

ha!

ok, your right, im glad, I didnt want to have to fork out for three prizes anyway....

Id forgotten about the butterfly one, I might have to put the provision on it that your hand positions must be thoes of normal reels, cos with skewed hand positions I taught about twenty peaple that move at the EJC. :P

as for winning, I cant claim my own prizes, otherwise the competition would be over by now! (yes, I have a solid, clean, true weave atom turning, woo hoo!)

I expected to come back to find a post of the vid and a claim, common guys!

T

I THINK I might've got the turning atom weave today....but I have many questions which I can't articulate here on the board due to my lack of terminology. And I would post a vid...but I don't know how yet (only just got my vid cam...still trying to understand how it works!). Is there a common mistake which I might be making which would make me think I've got it when actually I haven't? Whoops, SUCH a vague question.... And not much to do with antispin weave

lol,

yeah anna your pretty close, you got the planes, but not quite figured out the weave bit yet, once you get the vid up there will be a nice supreise in the post,

unless someone else gets there first....

(its the old technique, tell someone something you cant do and let them develope it for you)

T

read and understood (i think)

i like your "point isolation" term. i never got that before.

but my antispin weave doesn't make a catseye shape at all.

and my hands aren't describing even a slight ellipse when i try to do linear isolations. If anything, they're describing a diamond with the sides curving in as opposed to out.

You can make a little loop at each point, or you can make it exactly that: a point.

The different ways of accentuating the movement of either centre of rotation seems to create wildly different shapes using the same basic pattern.

just a quick post, was trying to do 5bt antispin earlier, and i reckon i can have it nailed by the end of bristol, dosnt seem as crazy hard as i thought...

yo rev, I mean any atom type, its just got to be a full turning weave without breaking the planes, I do the vertical atom, but thats cos its easier that way (for me)

maybe with horisontal planes it might work diffrent, like a weave corkscrew hybrid, but you should be able to run it both direction continiously without breaking the atom or bringing it inside.

oli- if anyone can do it you can, lets have ya!!! (cough up cole!!!)

T

I can cleanly turn atomic weaves... I cant, however, get a video of it. Suppose I shall go prizeless. Meanwhile, since we're talking about unmet challenges, mine still stands.. Ill even add a prize. Goes to anyone who gets a video of a tangle with point isolations.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.. I'm retarded..


My diagrams are wrong.... that's a forward petal made less bubbly.. I'm glad you followed.. but wow.. that was off.. yes I see your diamind.. but mine is just the cateye ellipse.. the stall is at the top and bottom.. imagine the right side of the ellipse being like this ) even though the poi is spinning like this ( in its arc relative my hand..
I think..

I dunno.. I've confused myself... all I know is that I'm making ovals.. for all I know that could be the overlap of the poi arcs.. left side ( and right side )..

people need to call me on this crap.. I gotta go do yard work.. .. I'll fix the picutre later..

icon, both points?

just one wouldnt be too bad, but both??? hummmm

T

both would only be possible if both were the same point i think, which probably ends up being easier and uglier with respect to getting into and out of it.

nah I believe icon brought this up before.. it would be INCREDIBLY hard, but possible none the less..

theory pt1- the buzzsaw flower.. you can take a buzzsaw and move its center of spin in a direction (as seen in te picutre nix posted) and make a flower.. why is this cool? because it makes petals.. why are petals cool ? because they make point isolations..

theory pt2- the tangled buzzsaw flower.. take a tangle.. move the nexus in circular in a direction.. and voila tangled buzzsaw flowers.. so now we have tangles making petals.. thus we have the oppertunity for the the tangles to make point isolations..

challenge- (if I remember right), do a point isolation on the head of one poi.. whihc in effect means that the nexus has to move around the taret poi head in the same amount of time as it takes the other poi head to complete one normal tanlge revolution..


now maybe mikey has gone soft and let that drop to a simply any point isolation with a tangle.. but I mean.. if your going to go for it.. why sell yourself short

Yeah, nice work on those two Rev. I think Im coming close to getting the point isos on the tangled buzzsaw. Im gonna have to try it with some other sets of poi cuz I think my current setup is whats screwing me... Too much friction, not enough weight.

Wow, super, I checked it soon and tell you.

PS:The Atomic thingie is nice.

:R