Anti spin weave

I think we had this exact discussion before Nx... There is no anti-spin buzzsaw.

nix.. sorry dude.. that is an ANTISPIN VARIATION ON A BUZZSAW and not an antispin buzzsaw... you cannot ADD a 2nd center of spin to a single center pattern and call it the same pattern.. you can however add a a 2nd center of spin to a single center of spin move and call it a variation..

edit: and so nix doesnt feel I'm picking on him.. I too once bought this same faux pattern only as an antispun butterfly..

What is different between Anti-spin variation on Buzzsaw and Anti-spin Buzzsaw? When you are doing Weave Buzzsaw and than move your hand to make Anti-spin shape between your hands what is it than?

if you take buzzsaw to mean

"poi spinning in a circle inside the arms with a stationary centre of rotation" then there's no antispin buzzsaw. You can't "antispin" a stationary centre of rotation.

but if you take out the italic bit, then i don't understand why not.

(eg. do a buzzsaw. move it round in a circle. then antispin that pattern)

so it all just seems like terminological pernicketry to me.

I'm saying that in order to put antispin into a buzzsaw space you have to make it a buzzsaw flower.. and thus its a variatio because its an antispin buzzsaw flower not an antispun buzzsaw..

yes but language is also how we codify the world.. we even think in language.. so no I don't agree that terminology is not scientific notation.. if you have a term that doesnt mean what it supposed to mean then your thinking and use of that term will also be off..

think of it like using sarcasm.. you can't understand sarcasm or irony unless you understadn exaclt ywhat those words mean... antispin buzzsaw would be one of those irnoic terms that you would understand only if you first understood that it could only be an antispin buzzsaw flower..

EDIT: ?!? or not...

so why not just accept that if someone says "antispin X"
(where X is a move with a stationary centre of rotation)
then what they mean is "an antispin X flower"

its just different dialects.. makes life more interesting

happy bday oli



simian.. because.. an antispin weave is an antispun weave flower.. and antisun ttn is not an antispun ttn flower..

but an antispin buzzsaw is an antispin buzzsaw flower..

so why not add the flower where its supposed to be and leaveit out where its not???

i'm not going down this twisted and tangled road again, Rev

How about we come up with something useful\interesting to say about antispin weaves instead?

anyone managed a four beat? possible? how? i reckon it'd hurt the inside of your elbows...

simian - possible - short poi - long forearms - i cant do it - thats if you mean twisting your arms up one extra twist in the wrong way.

yes the 2nd degree antspin stuff is real... the timing on it is atrocious..

with reverse spinning poi and fwd motions left normally leads under right ot the right side.. the trick is that left goes under right and then pushe back over it to the outside.. and as with normal spin the right poi just goes to the right side in its normal time.. but the extra bit of twisting means you can do a nice isolated antipsin weave anymore.. and that part makes it almost impossible.. or at least thats been my take for the past year or so..

I've stopped playing with it in hopes that cleaning up the rest of my antispin stuff will make the timing eventually click better.. since I think it -can- be done quite nicely.. I just dont practice it or anything else enough to do it though..

maybe nix can help


EDIT: cole..

take astraight arm butterfly weave with the reverse side on the right.. a 3bt version with the left arm straight and the right hand going over to the left... and do one with the right hand going under to the left..

thats the difference.. though I know that probably doesnt help..

sorry, i never bother with anything above 3 beats any more

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rev - the 4 ways to do a butterfly weave was what put it in my head that 'proper reverse' (what we now call antispin) stuff was possible.

i get that the straight arm accentuates the antispin part of a bf weave.

but i don't get how you define what is a normal bf weave and what is an antispin bf weave - isn't a bf weave always half antispin?

are you saying that one side of a bf weave is an antispin ttn...?
(if so, i don't think i get it [i.e. what a full antispin ttn is])


cole. x

p.s. simian - check that link above for the prize promised to the first person to spin a 5bt antispin weave

when you move both hands same direction and spi the poi antispin then one has to antispin.. since the butterfly weave is turning between to halves of a ttn.. ys.. I'd say that half of the butterfly weave is an antispun ttn..

you can notice this quite easily.. all you have to do is straight arm the amr that's spinning the same direction that you are butterfly weaving.. that way the only one that has to go 'around' doing the weaving...

I didnt see a prize either..

that's what i thought.

it makes sense there but a fully antispin tnn is weird and feels wrong just by itself.
and because i'm crap at it, it quickly falls back into a normal ttn when i try and spin it for more than a few beats.

as for the prize reference, check my post after the one i linked to:

Written by: coleman

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tom, can we create a special prize for the first person to spin a 5bt anti-weave?

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cole. x

yeah I noticed the 'can we create a prize' and nix agreeing. but I never noticed on actually being mentioned..


the antispun ttn does feel incredibly unnatural.. and its really hard not to antispin one while samedirectioning the other.. I never said it was one of those yummy patterns.. jsut thatit was one.. One of those textbook things, since I don;t know anyone that has a serious play with it by itself..

My Anti-spin Weave, when both hands stay on its side have 4 and 4 "beats"(I meen four shapes on each side and quarterfoil figure together.) Im not sure when I cross my hands some time "in the same motion"(doing Anti-spin Weave I think) if there is again the same figure in final?