? new 1-handed butterfly variation - the MOTh ?

Well, do you know of any other 3 beat thru wraps? Im not sure if adding beats is in the definition but Im pretty sure it has to actually wrap around something completely (ie at least one full rotation) before changing sides to be a thru wrap. This move never wraps, it only hooks around half way before unraveling. I suppose it COULD be referred to as a type of thru-wrap but then every carry would also have to be called a thru-wrap.

Eh, call it what you want. I just feel like with the current definitions we have been using, calling it a thru-wrap would be more confusing. Like, before I found this, if someone came to me and said "do a thumb carry" I would most likely come out with this as a result whereas if someone said "do a thumb thru-wrap" I would have come out with a 5 beat weave with thumb thru-wraps.

I was gonna quote Spherculism's definitions for "carry" and "thru-wrap" but in doing so, I was only further convinced that Spherc's definitions arent for me

According to Spherc, this would be classified as a thru-wrap so I concede, call it what you want. I will, however, continue to call these carries.

WOW!!!! you all have soooooo proven my point, even though this thread is about the move in the first post (the one with the gif animation), the only thing people talk (or argue) about is the description of the other moves, and what it might exactly be. see? text is confusing....

I'm strongly thinking about starting an animated gif thread in the videos section...

Wow, hehe nice thread pop.

Hmm signature moves, has such a naff ring to it. I mean no matter where you are or what you've done someone has done it first. And still even if it is semi new i dont think we should be "claiming" these moves. Most ideas seem to thought of by different people all over the world at the same time anyway.

But still love the name, moth, cool butterfly connection As far as naming moves goes I think it's just best to name them for yourself . It saves you loads of technical discussions with your mates. As for the gifs in the thread idea, i think it is a good one. As pop said alot of the posters here are'nt english speakers. It's good to have as much visual aid as possible. Okay maybe not eveyone has acess to a camera but i'd say theres alot of people out there who do have a digi cam who are'nt making gifs. I made all the gif lessons on my website with a camera that cost me about 30 euros. And an alternative is to make alittle animated thing.

I think having more images would save alot of people disagreeing with each other about the same moves. It was the gif lessons on this site that got me properly hooked into poi a few years ago. The technical dissusions are great, always good to read, but some of them are kinda hard to decypher. And from what i can understand sometimes people get kindof narky at eachother too. Even when they're agreeing.

Hey vanice, it was great having you over here you should pop over again sometime. Bobo is coming up from germany for a session in a month or two aswell, maybe you could join us. It'll be alittle warmer than last time i hope. Kind words about the contact juggling, thanks. But I've been at it for about a year and a half at this point. My poi are also getting alittle jealous about the practicing time too

Bobo is coming? ha! I was just thinking that...
she should come around queensday, april 30th, only because she loves the colour orange so much... It will be an overkill, even for her

yep. definitely not totally original, but lovely and smooth nice one mot.

pk and i played around with these heaps 18 months ago, but didn't do the variation you're doing there. not quite sure why not

pm on its way mr mot...