All about flowers

Its like two triangles together :R

Has anyone been playing with quarter time flowers?

One centre of rotation chasing the other 90 degrees behind. The dynamics are very different to normal or anti-spin flowers and it requires good balance, lots of turning and what feels like a bit of contortion

I’m not going to type an explanation as it’s easy to figure out yourself and your better off finding your own way anywho.

Arms.

Not sure how much quarter time poi'd be worth the effort....

my post on the last page has a link to a quarter time discussion in which flowers get a short mention.

they are also referred to here by young mr durbin and myself.

i personally don't appreciate them - they look a bit rubbish and they hurt more.

besides, parallel-time same-direction flowers hurt my brain even more than the quarter time ones hurt my shoulders...

i don't think god likes them much either which is why they could never work unless your arms are those of a whirling woolsey


cole. x


[edit after reading garthy and james' last posts:

if you are spinning flowers and your arms are 90 degrees apart, wouldn't you really want your poi 90 deg apart too?

i.e. a quartertime flower should really suggest that both poi AND arms are quartertime

if you try to do quartertime arms and splittime poi you better be tron's great grandson cos if you ain't, you haven't got a hope in hell of pulling them off!]

...and also mentioned in the second post of this thread!

I tend to agree with cole on most poi related things and failed to see the point of quarter time flowers. They look a bit rubish and hurt cole.

Been liking Parallel same direction antispin flowers recently But I think I do these a bit differently to the whirling woolsey. but I'll await my DVD and find out (:D )

I thinks god likes all things flowery.



Although Hybrids have been taking my time away from flowery love recently.

Antispin Hybrinds are the Furture! and twist your brain tryiny to visulise them let alone doing them

Now I'm confused about what I actually do when I do quarter time flowers.

Must get someone to watch me tomorrow.

sorry

you can tell if you're doing them right by checking that the poi still pass the flower's centre point (your shoulders) at the same time.

fire actually helps lots cos you can hear when they are working


cole. x

I've been working on BTB flowers and weave flowers with a hyperloop when they cross from one side to the other.

Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere but here's my description of BTB flowers for anyone who wants it.

1. BTB reverse weave - extend left arm up, right arm across the back.

2. Turn 90 degrees to the right - both arms extended out at sides.

3. Turn 90 degrees to the right - extend right arm up, left arm across the back.

4. Turn 90 degrees to the right - both arms extended out at sides

I'd love to figure out if it can be done antispin

is it a flower if it can't be done facing one direction?

I accept that flowers can be done while turning, but they are also able to be done in one direction...

so wouldn't that make what you're doing lockouts between btb weaves?

Damn it, you've made me run out of the comp sci lab I'm in at the moment and try to figure this out .

Yes, that description does seem like a btb weave turn with lockouts but I have managed to figure out a non-turning version where the 6 oclock point is btb and the 3 and 9 oclock points are behind the arms but it feels really messy. I think its the way I go into it that got me confused as I go into the lockout sequence in the same way that I go into a flower.

I'll try and get both variants on tape as soon as I can .

behind the back flowers check in the vid here http://www.poiforum.de/wbb2/thread.php?postid=3674#post3674 u can even turn and keeping them behind

and do u play ur flowers on two crossoverpoints infront of u or on one i mean more in a triangle form ?
die someone write something about the hybrid flowers like one big circle other one in quarter time 4 point flower etc ?



bis bald

peace light and paris juggling convention end of may

ap

okay, I watched the vid, and still don't see the btb flowers you're talking about. Isn't the point that they're long arm moves, that can be done facing only one direction? I still hold this, that even though you can turn flowers, a base qualifier is that they are able to be done facing one plane?

Imagine flower like two flowers togeter. There are two
positions of hands. Sharing the same plane,
this is compound flower actually,
or both in differend plane.

Than transition, turn, is possible with both. When they
share same plane, than transition is reel.
When both are in diffrent plane,
transition is Figure 8.

love and light,

:R

i'm confused...so would you call a giant butterfly with lockouts a flower?

Of course, the are many combinations. With flower your
hands turn like long arm, hands are separte,
this is first.

Second and most important is timing, cause as you add
lockout or foil, you add one beat.

Flower has uniqe kind of beat count.

Long arm has two beats, although it's just one circle.
It meens that you can do with one hand long arm and
the other two circles to get timing.

light,

:R

morning,
so can we call them kind of btb flowers ?

richee do u come to paris end of may ?

peace light and love

ap

kind a like flower*? (baseball reference if you didn't get it...if that didn't work, google roger maris)

and could someone just answer this very simple question...

 Written by: me


is it a flower if it can't be done facing one direction?

Going by Richee's definition - yes.

The way I learned flowers and flower turns was by splitting it into individual hand motions therefore the hand sequence for the btb flower that I posted before is a flower as it retains the hand motion for a flower even when the poi are btb. That was my reason for naming it a a btb flower.

The sequence I posted earlier has all the basic components of a flower. It is longarm (although the btb lockout is very difficult to do longarm) and it has lockouts/foils which should mean its classed as a flower even though the original couldn't be done facing in one direction.

But going by Richee's definition a flower isn't really a move in its own right but a longarm extension of of an existing move. For instance butterfly flower is simply an extension of butterfly and weave flower is the same but for a weave.