Atomic weaves

indeed... poi is too much of a distraction.. and I've typed up 56 pages in papers these last two weeks, 3 presentations, and 2 reports.. MEOW..

a few quick comments..
OFF TOPIC:
sorry arashi... I agreee with you sometimes.. (I'm sure its happened.. really.. ) but weaves go inside.. weaves not going inside are like butterflies that are in the same plane.. they dont happen.. granted with a weave you can try hard and force them into the same plane.. but noone spins like that.. we ALL spin threaded.. bouncing from inside to out..

and thanks guys.. glad to see I missed.. and thanks Andy, finally someone else that runs into the same problems with sprial that I do.. but I still love him all the same

ON Topic:
I agree with much of what andy has said, but need to have a spin before i can actually contribute and come back.. I was running into a lot of this when I was trying to find out the different ways to do atoms.. having nothing really to go on.. and in the end pushed the pursuit off for one horizontal and one vert..

and I think andy is so right about avoiding the butterfly weave discussion.. because when you get into atomics the butterfly and the weave versions need to be left seperated.. because the confusions will bleed over.. because there's much that can be done that way..

damnit.. I came back so that there wouldnt be 100's of things for me to surf through... and now look.. GRRR..

Sorry guys.. I'll be back in about a week or two..

yo,

been playing with the split time, and it works for me if both poi are going the same direction (i.e. CCW).

Im not shure about how seperated thease things are from weave and butterfly discussions, because they seem to be an amalgamation of the two.

T

Not only do I finally have video footage of me (albeit not very much), it's of me doing a forwards atomic weave...

http://www.homeofchutney.com/simian/spiralx.wmv

Or at least, what I call one Let the arguments recommence!

I like the website name, sounds like a gay porn site

More thoughts...

3 beat atom weave like a regular weave is quite hard I find. Inverted atom weaves are a lot easier to do - I've been doing the trailing poi entry version for a while and just got the leading poi version now. The trailing is in a sense easier as it doesn't involve any plane breaks.

And if arashi is reading how do you define inverted in this sense? I'm talking about it as if we were doing unatomic moves because they're "the same" but folded out to be atomic, but they're not your definition of inverted

The atom version of the notcoleman5 is very hard indeed

well, my notions of inverted/inside were fine tuned from playing with atomics- so yes they are the same, though i'm not sure i understand what you're asking. in fact the theory is all easier to understand with atomics, i think, but they are physically harder to do, so i was going to teach the inverted weaves first, then the inside weaves, then the atomics. once i did atomics my whole notions of buterflies evolved. my spinning framework is a bit different, i don't think in terms of beat weaves, i think in terms of crossovers and where the circles go before and after them. if you read the questions and explanations i posed to rev in the inverted weaves thread (which he never answered) about inside butterflies, and what he kept calling an inverted butterfly, you'll see what i mean. but anyways once i get back to the inverted thread there'll be a lot more of these atomics to do, i'll even explain them specifically there.

basic crane:
exact same x formation as bfly but same direction... parallel weaves? i think they're the same? at least that's what i've been calling cranes here at hop

the same x pattern of a butterfly but same direction.. I've been calling those same direction butterflies.. parallel weave?!? I think that came up when andy was talking about the hardest move he knew.. which was taking a same time same direction butterfly and antispinning one...which resulted in sort of same direction ttn.. but he wasnt calling it that I think..

where did you mention these as cranes at, if that's not too difficult of a question? I'd like to look up some older threads that I've missed stuff in..

oh and sorry I never answered your question.. I got sidetracked.. let me go back and re-read it..

Ok, a basic question then. If I take a weave and make it "atomic" in the sense that say my left hand is in the front wall plane spinning CW and my right hand is spinning right wheel plane CCW (as in the video of me) is this "same" direction spinning or not? Because although this seems to be same direction I can do a TTN from here easy peasy. Or maybe I'm still just confused lol.

But a more precise definition of same direction is definitely needed.

PS. Happy Christmas to all the poi geeks out there

there's a video of you?

Seven posts up It's not very good or long though...

hahaha.. I finally got to see spiral... so the video claims.. I don't believe.. I got told you were a 'big' kid...

I'll comment on the poi-ness sometime this weekend.. I gotta go so I have time to respond to arashi and still get on the road to the new years party..

sorry but i can do it! i will need a lot of help to sort these out!

correct me if im wrong, but arent atomic weaves the same a say a double TTN? or do they as a rule have to be spinning the same direction?

humm..
I thought i knew what was going on at first but now i'm just confused.


i thought an atomic weave meant one poi spinning in wheel plane, and one in wall plane., without any plane breaks.

so if the left was doing a normal forward weave motion (CW wheel plane) your left hand would do 2 beats on the right and one on the right

your right hand/poi would be doing a forward butterfly direction (CCW) but would be going 2 beats in back of you and one in front, to keep the weave there.

thoughts?

I think there's plenty of different ways of doing what could be called an "atomic weave" Yours is as good as any...

What exactly are atomic weaves?sorry if i sound really stupid lol

anybody got a vid of a atomic weave? i can't make anything out of all descriptions....

You could try reading the thread ya know - someone already asked that and I said...

Written by: spiralx

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Seven posts up It's not very good or long though...

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So it's now a bit further up. It's a bit sloppy, and it's only one kind of atomic weave which is equivalent to the buzzsaw weave.

thx! i know... i'm quite lazy...