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#431831 - 26/11/04 10:12 AM Re: Atomic weaves [Re: [Nx?]]
simian monkey Registered: 11/10/02 Loc: London	Written by: Nx? i got no idea what you mean, unless you are breaking the atomic planes insted of turning it That is what he's doing. So thats another way to do atoms... spiralx's atomic stuff (from what i've seen) is all about 90* plane changes instead of crossing the plane of the body. Like a 4 sided version of trinity planes. whereas [Nx?]'s atoms have constant planes (one poi stays wall, the other stays wheel), yes? meanwhile, non-hopper Adam of the North does a atomic turning weave which has constant planes when he weaves, but shifts planes 90* when he turns from 'forward' to 'backward'. _________________________ "Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
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#431832 - 26/11/04 10:17 AM Re: Atomic weaves [Re: [Nx?]]
arashi raised by sighthounds Registered: 21/03/02 Loc: austin,tx	I'm full of thanksgiving stuffing and this thread is full of misconceptions. can you guys wait until later? i'm on another gypsy adventure across the U.S. so no time! don't assume anything about how these things work, just keeping slamming things together until something works. there's ways to go from 3-5 beat atomic weaves, for instance. i do atomics same time (as well as the other time overlays) including atomic airwraps and hyps. normal weaves coming inside? that's just wrong. it's really not that complicated! look at the crossover points! please don't make me argue with rev again. it's no fun. poibox we must jam up some biscuits someday.
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#431833 - 26/11/04 10:25 AM Re: Atomic weaves [Re: arashi]
simian monkey Registered: 11/10/02 Loc: London	i see no misconceptions misterarashi. at the moment its lots of people saying how there's loads of ways to do stuff... wait a bit until they start arguing about what a 'proper' atomic weave is, then the misconcieving shall begin! (and i reiterate: airwraps\hyps are naturally atomic anyhoo ) ps: Open Question - what's the definition of same time\split time in atomics? _________________________ "Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
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#431834 - 26/11/04 10:47 AM Re: Atomic weaves [Re: simian]
[Nx?] Scoiattolo de mare Registered: 05/11/01 Loc: Europe,Scotland,Both	same as in weaves or butterflies, same time the poi hit the bottom of thier arcs at the same time, spit time the poi hit the bottom of thier arcs one after the other. I think arashi is right, the more i just jam this stuff together, the more it works out, and the less I can get my head round it, so ive stoped trying. T _________________________ This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate -><- Kallisti
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#431835 - 26/11/04 11:02 AM Re: Atomic weaves [Re: [Nx?]]
[Nx?] Scoiattolo de mare Registered: 05/11/01 Loc: Europe,Scotland,Both	oh and monkey. odd stuff happens when you turn, have you noticed, like in a normall weave you have to transition again straight away because although you have turned subjectivly the hands are still twisting up the same way. two beat turning is lots of fun tho, and good for giving you a general feeling for the atom. T _________________________ This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate -><- Kallisti
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#431836 - 26/11/04 12:36 PM Re: Atomic weaves [Re: [Nx?]]
arashi raised by sighthounds Registered: 21/03/02 Loc: austin,tx	simian that's what i mean, we're already encountering semantic problems. man i need a digital video camera... and yes nx is right the inverted weaves go hand in hand with atomics. that's why i've been so anal about the inverted/inside terms, cause if we stay on the same page we'll avoid a lot of confusion with these, and some of my favorite moves are in here. and that's why (along with airwrap theory of course) i started the inverted weaves instruction in the first place. 5 beat inverted inside crane atomic isolated airwraps anyone? _________________________ -Such a price the gods exact for song: to become what we sing -Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty. -When the center of the storm does not move, you are in its path.
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#431837 - 26/11/04 02:26 PM Re: Atomic weaves [Re: arashi]
simian monkey Registered: 11/10/02 Loc: London	yeah well, semantic problems always occur when people believe words to have objective meanings. Words are tools, and their meaning is their use. No more, no less. anyways following the trend for crudely drawn diagrams: this is what i thought an atomic weave was don't ask me why i just spent ages doing it. i'm not even sure i know why... _________________________ "Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
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#431838 - 27/11/04 01:44 AM Re: Atomic weaves [Re: simian]
Analemma enthusiast Registered: 22/05/03 Loc: Just married	confusing - though I think I understand. but it seems that you mix a backwards, forwards and inverse weave. You are like nx?! Try this one: a.) Start with step 6. (You can spin this one continuously and with hands close together - this is the atom with crossed arms I was talking about) b.) Now do a figure of 8 with the blue one (one beat to the right side and back). This way you take your right (blue) hand on top. c.) You should be in step 3 now d.) Same as b.) only that the red one spins a figure8 to the left and back. Taking the red on top. Now you are back in step 6! Start over again . . . @arashi: Biscuits? Shure! Come over to Vancouver - ill pay for your drinks _________________________ To learn - read. To know - write. To master - teach . . .
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#431839 - 27/11/04 04:58 AM Re: Atomic weaves [Re: Analemma]
Y.T. hopeless addict Registered: 08/04/03 Loc: nodnoL	ok, poibox's modification was what i htough was the atomic weave, i have no idea what the monkey atomic is but it does look nice and isn't too hard to do. turning is messing with my head though. cheers fo the diagram it is the first thing i've managed to learn off of hop message boards, now spiralax just needs to get one done for his crazt atomic thing! s-luke _________________________ Ninjas NEVER give up!
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#431840 - 27/11/04 05:32 AM Re: Atomic weaves [Re: Y.T.]
Y.T. hopeless addict Registered: 08/04/03 Loc: nodnoL	and is is entirely possible to do thh motions simian describes but start off with the blue poi going under the other orm when you start instead of over, and oddly i find this makes the turning easier. _________________________ Ninjas NEVER give up!
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#431841 - 27/11/04 08:24 AM Re: Atomic weaves [Re: Y.T.]
[Nx?] Scoiattolo de mare Registered: 05/11/01 Loc: Europe,Scotland,Both	nice diagram, monkey, you put me to shame. arashi, i heard this crane term before from dragon, but i dont know what it means.... T _________________________ This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate -><- Kallisti
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#431842 - 27/11/04 08:35 AM Re: Atomic weaves [Re: [Nx?]]
simian monkey Registered: 11/10/02 Loc: London	Crane Stance - standing on one leg like the Karate Kid EDIT: Ah! After some researching on extremely old skool hop threads i believe that when arashi says "crane" he means "both poi same time, same direction, hands together" i claim my poi anorak. Give me the anorak. GIVE IT TO MEEE! Edited by simian (27/11/04 04:18 PM)
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#431843 - 27/11/04 08:38 AM Re: Atomic weaves [Re: Y.T.]
simian monkey Registered: 11/10/02 Loc: London	yeah anyway, like YT says you can switch the under and over beats around (thats because its a butterfly weave) You get some wierd bits that feel like antispin on some transitions if you do that. Antispin buttefly stuff? does that work? offtopicness... Written by: PoiboxII a.) Start with step 6. (You can spin this one continuously and with hands close together - this is the atom with crossed arms I was talking about) b.) Now do a figure of 8 with the blue one (one beat to the right side and back). This way you take your right (blue) hand on top. c.) You should be in step 3 now d.) Same as b.) only that the red one spins a figure8 to the left and back. Taking the red on top. Now you are back in step 6! Start over again . . . Yeah i was doing that last night! Is that a weave? I do that move with ordinary straight planes, and just consider it as switching between crossed arm butterfly reels (bfly crossers). Although i suppose thats the same as a 2bt butterfly weave with 180 turns whenever the arms are crossed. Glad my diagram helped you out Y.T. (psst - You'll learn much more stuff at spittalfields than you ever will from stuff on the internet) Edited by simian (27/11/04 08:41 AM) _________________________ "Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
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#431844 - 30/11/04 04:01 AM Re: Atomic weaves [Re: simian]
Analemma enthusiast Registered: 22/05/03 Loc: Just married	Written by: i suppose thats the same as a 2bt butterfly weave with 180 turns whenever the arms are crossed. If you stretch the plane 90degree more, so you are in the butterfly family ... then yes, thats how one could call it Try to take one into the horizontal plane - that would be the version between the 3beat and the 5beat atomic family. Corkscrew&Windmill = Corkmill or Windscrew ?!? Arashi: I thought i would know what your inversions were, but atomic inversions are kind of impossible imo ?!?
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#431845 - 30/11/04 04:12 AM Re: Atomic weaves [Re: Analemma]
spiralx veteran Registered: 01/05/02 Loc: London, UK	Atomic inversions are very possible That's how I do my version of the atomic weave - the switch between which arm is on top takes place inside the arms and not on the outside like in regular weaves. So one poi is always in the front wall plane, the other is always in the right wheel plane for instance - the transition from under to over goes inside the box formed by the poi. _________________________ "Moo," said the happy cow.
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#431846 - 30/11/04 04:39 AM Re: Atomic weaves [Re: spiralx]
Analemma enthusiast Registered: 22/05/03 Loc: Just married	What you describe is what I call inside (NYC style Buzzsaw weave) - inverse weave arashi style is a weave with the crossover between the arms(isolated hand motion). Quite difficult, and what I THINK is not possible with atoms. _________________________ To learn - read. To know - write. To master - teach . . .
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#431847 - 30/11/04 04:53 AM Re: Atomic weaves [Re: Analemma]
spiralx veteran Registered: 01/05/02 Loc: London, UK	I think you've got it... but I will need to check that the other kind of inverted weave isn't possible. If it is, it'll be bloody difficult! _________________________ "Moo," said the happy cow.
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#431848 - 30/11/04 06:29 AM Re: Atomic weaves [Re: spiralx]
UnscrupulousChavOffersFoot Silly Chavs Registered: 17/04/02 Loc: Whales	Where is Rev? _________________________ Do not kick wallman. He will eat your leg. No joke.
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#431849 - 30/11/04 07:14 AM Re: Atomic weaves [Re: UnscrupulousChavOffersFoot]
[Nx?] Scoiattolo de mare Registered: 05/11/01 Loc: Europe,Scotland,Both	would look beutifull tho..... been thinking about it too, and i dont see why its impossible, just very tight on the planes.... T _________________________ This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate -><- Kallisti
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#431850 - 30/11/04 11:24 PM Re: Atomic weaves [Re: [Nx?]]
spiralx veteran Registered: 01/05/02 Loc: London, UK	Rev said he was taking a break from poi to get some work done without distractions _________________________ "Moo," said the happy cow.
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