Your Opinions on the Paranormal?

Prom..I can turn that last phrase around on you soooooo many ways

Sleep paralysis and experiences also effect hospital patients pretty wildly. Along the lines of sleep as well, or lack thereof, many people who burn the midnight oil are prone to "visions" and "experiences" due to a chemical imbalance in the brain brought on by lack of sleep and, more specifically, lack of REM.

Not at all nearly_all_gone. In all honesty I find it absolutely fascinating that you believe in aura's but hope for paranormal.

About the Bermuda triangle. I don't remember all of the details as it was awhile ago that I saw it but several scientists, especially geologists, figure that the "mystery" has been solved by explaining what volcanic fissures which open up under the ocean can do. They did studies which show that the bermuda triangle has some of the most dense numbers of these fissures, which will cause a tremendous amount of methane bubbles to rise, which as we all know effects the boyancy (sp??) of items in the water and cause them to sink, and in some cases, even break or blow up. They tested the theories in hydrodynamic pools in universities and then also in a lake with an outboard motor boat. It was incredible!
Then they explained the whole plane thing as the bubbles burst and release the gasses into the air, which effects the mechanisms/air intake and causes engines to stall. There was also some part of it that effected their dials, so their directions were screwed up.

They tested these theories in plane testing and training areas, and even sent the gas through a couple of old military plane engines to prove it. I don't remember so much of how the plane stuff worked, but it was similar to the boats.

Wreckage was not found because the fissures would beat up the sinking pieces.

The fissures are only that strong sometimes, which is why multitudes of people can pass through the BT without incedent, and others just disappear.

I was sooooo fascinated. Of course, they tested these, geologists found the fissures, but it is still a theory for a few more years until something else disappears down there with scientific gauges on board and they prove it.

It was fascinating. What was paranormal, moves into the realm of science yet again. I didn't lament over this as much as when Spontaneous Human Combustion was prove to be neither spontaneous nor real combustion.


Thanks!

I actually saw a documentary that presented the Methane Bubble Hypothesis, Pele, and it was quite interesting.

Being a geologist, let me note that the methane gas may not be related to a "volcanic" vent, but can often be related to oil deposits and natural gas. An oil rig in the North Sea was virtually destroyed by such a pocket of methane gas, but there were no volcanic fissures near by.

I recall something that they mentioned that on the show, and about the tanker, but that they felt bcause of the density of them and some other stuff that I didn't quite catch, they felt they were volcanic in nature. But you are correct, they did say those things do happen without it, and that is what spurned them into looking at the gas bubbles as a possibility in the Bermuda Triangle.

So then, since we are on the topic of science to explain "paranormal", what about things that move on their own? I mean, not telekinetically? For generations people have claimed to experience non living material objects moving of their own accord.

What form of science do you feel would apply there? Would it be a physical science or psychology?

wow, interesting stuff pele.. i never knew about those 'volcanic' emissions...as far as i knew it was still unexplained..

and about those objects moving by their own, i really dont know much about it so i cant really give any scientific explanations or theories on it.. but i do think that it would be a physical science... dont know why exactly but i think that jedi power to move objects by the will of the mind is completely absurd.. then again, its also absurd that they would move on their own account.. one theory i can give (and this is spontaneous thinking) is that there might be a sudden and drastic change in that objects magnetic field and gravitational pull (as all objects have their own gravity) and that they might move for that reason.. but this is just brainstorming and im worn out and my mind is incapable of doing any proper thinking without my vision going blurry.. but that amazing jedi power and from that movie with the little girl who can do the same..something with an M, i know that, but cant think of it right now.. i told you my mind is mashed potatoes right now.. hihi.. that is just cr@p.. i think the mind can do amazing things such as telepathy and mind over matter things and transferring energy to a single part of the body, but to move an object simply by wiling it? that goes a bit too far.. for me at least..

i was gonna say something else too.....ummm, oh yea.. i thought of this when reading that post about half dreaming paralysis.. do you think, at pele mostly, but also at everyone else, that astral projection is possible.. and would you consider that paranormal too?

Pele, just remember, turn around is fair play....

The volcanic fissures is a fascinating theory, and I'm researching it as soon as possible, but if I remember correctly, many of the survivors also complained about magnetic disruptions which would disrupt their compasses and gyroscopic instruments. Did they touch on that phenomenon at all?

I would consider telekinesis in the realm of the possible. Since scientists estimate that we only use a small portion of our brain power, who knows what using all of it could do? Much of our body processes are recreated in modern industry all the time. For example, we do create a diminutive EM field, what if using more grey matter produced a higher-powered field?

just food for thought

It did talk about the disruption in the instruments, Prometheus, and when they put the theory to test in the planes and boats (mostly the planes) it was found accurate. However, as I said, I don't remember what it was that caused it.

Did you know that some people create a much stronger EM field than others? And that your clothing, when not doused in fabric soften, also does, especially in the dryness of winter.
We were taking EM readings of each other a couple weeks ago. We chose to take off our metal jewelry and stand in the middle of a room. Took the room reading, then placed the gauge near us.

Most people registered from a mere blip to a 1 on the detector. Myself and one other gentleman both registered 3's, which is quite high for mere humans. We both suffer from electro-static shocks very easily and foud that we can hear high, buzzy electrical noises that many others couldn't hear. Not that it means anything other than what I have always said...I have a magnetic personality!

So, here is a question that goes along with this and with an investigation I went on last night. It is really important that if you answer both questions though.

1. Can you hear high electrical sounds? Like when the tube on a tv is going, or sometimes lights will do it, occassionally overhead projectors. It is a really high squeal and it hurts.

2. Have you had what you would say are paranormal sightings or investigations?


Here is my other question...do you believe in dowsing rods and pendulums (the kind that you hold) as modes of finding energy and speaking with spirit? It was a huge discussion between myself and another investigator last night, because I do not. There is too much room for human influence for my taste. He does because he feels it needs the bonding of the two energies to (human and not alive) to work.

Thanks!
Pele

The hypothesis of methane gas messing with plane instruments...I don't recall them touching the issue of the compass readings, but they did do a test with pilots in a flight simulator.

Methane gas has a different density than air, so a pocket of methane would have a different specific pressure than air, I think. I'm relying on rusty science at this point, and what I can recall from the program.

When the simulator hit the pocket of gas, the altimiter showed the planes climbing in altitude, and in fact, the discrepancy in their actual elevation (in the sim) versus what their instruments said when they hit the gas poket was quite high.

Prometheus, you might have a better hunt if you look for methane bubbles and the bermuda triangle.

I don't recall them addressing the compass issue...which ties into the magnetic distruptions.

In the winter, I'm almost always getting shocked when I reach for door handles, and I do hear high pitched electrical noises that others can't hear.

I haven't had obvious paranormal sightings, but Mand and I both find ourselves looking to the door of our bedroom, thinking there is someone standing there, when there is not. (I believe she's writing a reply to this as well.)

Dowsing Rods....hmmm...my tendancy is to say no. Pendulums, I have no experience with them, so I won't answer there.

Hello to all! Paranormal is metaphysics.Metaphysics mean after physics...Sience untill now has offered much to humanity but science is not complete.There are many things that are about to be explained and millions or billions of others that are going to be explained in future. I do not like the term paranormal.... what is normal?Was it normal the fact of a plane back in 980?I do not think so... It was paranormal.Paranormal is a lunatic, a mad man...Metaphysics is something that is not paranormal and it is going to be explaned.I do not think that we must believe in such things always.There are meny people that take advantage of these things so they can comfuse other people.I prefere to have a quality in my life and be happy and not to keep my mind busy with that kind of stuff... Though they are interesting they cannot be answered by me.What do you think?

Actually, Paranormal is not part of Metaphysics.

Metaphysics is a branch of philosophical studies, especially dealing with ontology (the nature of being), cosmology (studies of the physical universe as a phenomina of time and space) and epistomology (the study of the nature of knowledge). For the most part, Metaphysics are things which can never be explained. The nature of being can not be proven. We can not prove where the universe came from and when. We can not prove the nature of knowledge, but we can theorize and study it all the same. This is Metaphysical.

Paranormal only fits into this either as part of a discussion in the nature of being (ie: do humans have souls? Are they the core of our being?) and when studying the effects of faith on a person. Possibly, also, for those who believe in dimensions and portals and such.

However, many things thought of as Paranormal do not fit into a metaphysical study and so they are seperate but definately complimentive studies.

Normal is defined as conforming to the standard of common type or that which is regular. So Paranormal is an extremely valid term for anything that science has not yet explained and which occurs outside of what is commonly viewed as a part of regular life. Paranormal science can prove, and is usually something that has not been proven yet. As cited earlier in the thread, Spontaneous Human Combustion and The Bermuda Triangle are two of these phenomenon which have been proven scientifically.

I think you are mixing up the two terms.

All definitions come from the Encyclopedia of the Unknown.

Fascinating stuff about the volcanic fissures in the Bermuda triangle. Pity nobody stopped to check the 'Burmuda triangle' is actually ONE OF THE SAFEST PATCHES OF OCEAN IN THE WORLD! Good grief people if you're going to investigate a phenomenon you could at least check that the actually is a phenomenon. As for human using only 10% of their brains, this is a myth. Human actually use most of their brains (although I'm starting to doubt it in some cases).

Wow! I feel much better after that. Well in case anyone was still wondering I don't believe in much of anything and I think metaphysics is a waste of time since the whole discussion is rendered useless by the limitations of our language and brains.

i see dead poeple....

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i didnt notice untill i got older that i can sense something or someone in an area....i hate going antique shopping...you talk about getting chills when you get near old items, and i dont want to know why.

my grandmother use to tell me stories that use to give me the heebie geebies about her as a young girl, how her and her mother would har things and see things and told me that we were able to tap into the paranormal. She attributed it to the fact that my great grandmother (her mother) was a full blodded Cherokee Indian, and they believe in spirit guides and other related stuff. I chalked it up as malarky..but as i got older and i started to get these cold spots in places and began getting unsettled when other people wouldnt i started paying attention to it a little more and i have more of a respect ...(except when i chime in with a cheesy line from a movie) haaaaa

Pele..i miss you girl..i remeber a post about this yeeeeeears ago...

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SUPERMAN? Holy crap.

I'm so stunned I can't even think of something witty and sarcastic to say.

Um... Hi!

I don't really believe in God or Satan or the afterlife - But I believe in ghosts and the supernatural, all right

Pele - curious, what do you think of TAPS and their investigation strategies and such.

I'm on their message board.
They actually came to a site I investigated to work with a group I used to be a member of, and were duped by a magician and a sound engineer into believing they got evidence. It was soooo sad.

Because of that, I am not so sure.

I like their honesty and their approach, but I think they trust the people too much and don't look enough to proven science. I think that they know stuff going into investigations hurts them and that they don't look at geography and such...just the immediate elements there. I think that limits their scope.

Truth be told, I haven't watched this season except the first episode. I was so annoyed that they went somewhere that has been on other shows on Travel and Discovery Channel that I decided they have fallen for the corporate crap like everyone else. Besides, it's more personal drama than the search for truth and I have enough drama in my life without theirs.