Negative space and framing

hmmm, I think its important to call to include the negative space.

There are many moves that will be framed in negative space. But its also possible to create many impressions with your body using the principals the guys above are talkin about. Glass's video is a good example.

This way you can create many shapes and they dont all need toys in them to look good. Calling it framed moves would, in my humble and admitadly not very knowledgable opinion, limit the possibilities of underlying principal.

i'll say as i said above though. i dont know what im talking about.... but i like what im reading

Emmm... just a suggestion, but why not call the particular moves that involve toys 'framed moves', and the particular movements of the body that will create this impression of detached space 'negative space' (which, admittedly, I still don't really understand, so I'm sorry if this makes no sense).

Anyways, the point is - is it possible to seperate these two things?!

this is still the most useless thread ive ever read.

T

(oops, sorry cole, but then you know i say a lot of not nice things jus cos i can )

mwaha!
thanks tom.

you make me feel so useful.

call me when you get here tomorrow, i should be able to pick you up.

hugs
R

Why would you want to seperate them....

meh, for my part...

I would dearly love to here some more applications and other such, im not good enough at poi to understand a word about most of this though....

so

If i stood with one knee bent a little in front and one leg stretched a little behind me it would make a sort of triangle. If i put my hand near my forhead with my elbow straight out it would make another triangle.

If you turn the higher hand so your fingers were dangling a poi behind (the viewer on the other side) the top triangle and used your other arm to dangle the other poi so it was visible in the lower triangle. From the viewers (from the other side of your body) persective it would look like both poi were framed using your arms and legs.

I dont know any poi moves but in my head that looks like a nice pose. Could you stall back into it? I dunno.

It is more fun to think of stuff rather than definitions.

*evildaggerlookataidan*

Just thought it might be easier to define is all.

Sniffle.

That's ok...

I was just implying that negative space is everything else.. so just refering to negative space does not limit things.. but in fact doesnt leave much to talk about.. since any move is in negative space regardless of where it is or what its doing...

we're talking about creating a frame.. ie. a hole.. and spinnign through it.. yes that space is negatve space.. so yes you may use that term.. but it is also framed space.. and that specfically narrows down the discussion to what blue and cole were discussing..

so whatever.. just cut the yip yap and get to moves already lest nix be right and this thread be pointless..

i like pointless threads.



But i do agree...

get on with the moves.

Last night i tried putting my hands on my head and telling you that i love you whilst swinging my poi forways, throught he legs, then flying up and through the holes between your wrist and shoulder.

Aka....as Nix was saying.

It a bastarding hard one that is...

can't we just make pretty patterns?

*slaps meg*

of course not. thats not what being a nerd is about.

as i haven't actually played with poi since starting this thread i will set aside an hour tomorrow to play with some of these patterns/ideas, write them all down, and come back to it.

smiles
R

there is also the "stolen from above" buzzsaw in negative space...

Right hand with SHORT POI pointing at right hip.
Left hand with SHORT POI behind the back and next to right hip, level with right hand.
Buzzsaw it.
Butterfly Buzzsaw it too.



and on the left side obviously too....

Now I remember playing with those with weasel last year. The trick is in the clean transition between left and right side

No.

I think i know what ou were doing..

Are you doing the continiously turning version sort of behind your back?

Or am I actually thinign of having never seen you actually do the move I described, I may just be getting you confused with Weasel.

If so, The first line of this post is slander and lies.
Slander and lies I tell you.

Well weasel does do the sideways version where he spins round in circles, part of the BTB isolated horizontal buzzsaw 360 degree turn. But we were playing with these as well

So it was all slander and lies then?

Yes, you were engaged in filthy slander and dirty lies you scurrilous fiend

Tash and Fie Henrietta.

(the 2nd time on HOP I have said that)

erm... so after finally taking the time to read this entire thread i think i may have thought of the only move seems 100% in keeping with this concept....

swing both poi by your side. stall one into a giligan. put your hip against that hand leaving a gap under your arm pit. bring the other poi across your body and swing it through the gap thus penatrating the negative space. work out for yourself how to get out of it.

so am i right or am i bored?

Depends on whether you consider negative space something you can only create with body-on-body contact or with
body-on-poi contact as well. If the latter then try these... a) start in fwd TTN, stall left poi so it is resting on the right arm, bring left poi through the negative space formed there, or b) same direction eg. both going CW wall plane stall left poi on right arm again, bring left through negative space formed (requires twisting the wrist I think) either back outside or into a hyperloop if you want.

bump

for lava, and cause there's been a lot of this of late.

and there's the ucof principle. and oliing, and vortexes now