Hybrid Moves

Ok... I've thought about it (talked to T&B) and we're both wrong

It's a 4bt I think as the same poi leads accross the body. To make it a three beat hybrid weave you need to do a leading head isolation across the body and lead with the isolated poi head. (which is damn hard I seem to remember)

I cant even understand how you guys can do less or more beats than 3 in a hybrid weave. I mean a weave is when the left poi do 2 rotations on the right side and 1 on the left side and the right poi doing the opposite, right?
And that is exactly what my hybrid is. So this is my question to you Jedi poi people Its that why im having such a hard time to do a wallplane (infront of me not bhb) hybrid weave?
Cos the poi that needs to be isolated when spinning forward need to be longarm when spinning backward, right?

Do you guys even se my question in this text

//Thomas

A hybrid is just modifying the centre of rotation of the poi like isolations and longarm.

so any move that you can do normally..... 3 Beat weave / 5 beat weave / 2 beat weave / waist wraps... etc....

You can spin with a hybrid centre of rotation.

If you are swapping which poi is isolated as you spin then this that may change how things feel.

But I think the answer to you question is "no but you can if you llike." You can keep the same poi isolated throughout the whole wallplane hybrid weave or any other move.

Does this help?

not sure if im doing the antispin hybrd or not... my theroy for antispin was that if doing a normal hybrd where one poi(the isolaty one) is in the centre then antispin would be where the other poi head is in the centre? therefore making it not possible to do continuous antispin hybrids... entrys and exits from 5 beats when changing direction with hybrids makes a good turn.. i do it somewhere in here... http://www.homeofpoi.com/gallery/showpho...=500&page=1 awesome video garthy... that was really awesome and stuff...

Sneakliy placed video - you've slowed down sooooooooo much!
And Nelson's in it too

I can't say I spotted an anti-spun hybrid in there though... See what you're saying though, but I don't think that would make it anti-spun though would it? Or rather, as you say, it would be, but ain't really possible (yet <- to cover myself )

Erm... hmm, more playing required with regards to 4 & 5bt versions. At least they're indoor friendly moves

if you fountain it its easy and fine to remain anti spun. also weaves, if you're prepared to hit yourself in practise

durbs and i have new terminology for hybrids:

lala - long arm long arm
lasa - long arm short arm.

currently trying to get the lasa hybrid to translate to staffs... eurgh.

R

Here's a real head twister by the way...

3-foil a/s b/f hybrid thingy - I.e long arm does 1, other hand does 3, anti-spun, but joined at wrist to long arm so is hybrid as it's anti-spinning as well as isolating. (As Coleman pointed out somewhere in this thread earlier)

Right, quite an easy move.

Now, in theory, instead of long-arm'ing the "1", you should be able to isolate it.
For practise, your long arm poi in wall plane, held with both hands and isolated like you're turning a well handle.
So in theory, you should be able to add the second poi as it is the "normal" a/s-b/f-ploy-hybrid.
So the 1 is isolating normally, the other is 3'ing, antip-spinning...and isolating... Only it don't work...


Discuss...

Durbs... not sure how I can do 3:1 timings when I'm doing a small isolated circle with the 1 and a 3 foil isolated a/s flower with the other. Triple speed isolations are just insane. >,<

oh. you're right. er.. i'll go and edit when awake properly.

yeh i didnt mean that i did any antispin hybrids in that vid... i meant that im not sure that down here in oz that the fancy way im shaking socks and saying im doing a andtispin hybrid beat id the exact same fancy way that you are all shaking your socks... and of course nelson is in it... you know he can spin now... he came to commonground he has a purple and white monkeyfist rope poi... ill probably get around to making a new vid soonish cos im on hols and that one is old...

I kinda finally realised how these are done. Been trying for ages, following the tiny knowledge I had about the hybrid buzzaw. Apparently a hybrid weave is quite different.

For me, in the hybrid buzzaw I keep one in isolation and the other hand and poi following the other hands poi-head. This is buzzaw hybrid yes ?

Anyhow, not following quite the same logic. I read everywhere about keeping your hand together in a Hybrid weave. Comparing that to a hybrid buzzaw ( in my sense ) didn't make sense at all. Sure I could do it, but it didn't look like a hybrid. Perhaps the buzzaw hybrid I do isn't even a hybrid... hmm anyhow.

What i'm doing now is keeping the hands together isolation with one hand and bigger movement with the other, keeping it without isolation and I think I'm finally seeing the light in the move.

But then instead I can't understand how I could be doing an isolated buzzaw any more. So what am I doing?

Anyone been trying hybrid hyperloops?? Strange things! I think they can be spun out indefinitely....

What I've found to happen is the nice illusion in the change of timing.. (Ur hands always staying same-time) As you bring them across your body..

Rob

Yeah, these work nicely if you really shorten one poi (2 or 3 wraps around your hand), then go into a hyperloop and hybrid from there, slightly more controlable I find.

Mireneye - Sounds more like a sort of long-arm follow version of a buzzsaw, which by some definitions is still "hybrid".

I just began understanding hybrids. I still havn't gotten my hands to fully accept the move. It will come in time. just by curiosity i tried to do this with hyperloops.. but... meh, right now it's just not possible with my knowledge.

Interesting.

As for my long arm follow, I guess it could be concidered a hybrid in some ways. It looks funky at least.

I'm happy with my hybrid weave but keeping my hands on theire own side and just spinning forward in hybrid mode is driving me up the walls alltogether. i wonder if reels would be possible...

um, i forgot to mention there're some hybrid bits in the new spinach session vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M57exNV-YA

have got something new down with hybrids..

i guess the only way to discribe it would be if you got a 2 petal flower, out the front. then add hybrids into it

should have a video on the way soonish, so, if i remember, ill put it on there

so since Ubelfast i've been playing with a new hybrid - basically taking (the short/long) hybrids to their logical conclusion, and just playing with one, while keeping the head of the other one (and therefore your hand) next to the head of the single poi.

easy to do, easy to dance with, easy to transfer between poi, easy to love

Woo! After explaining the theory to someone else something clicked in my head and now I can do hybrids

Has anyone nailed a one-long-one-short buzzsaw fountain? I'm nearly there but I'm isolating the left poi so I have to lead with it over the top and it's messing with my mind.

Ooh, and instead of lala and lasa, how about

olos- one long one short

and

bolo- both long

Just a daft idea