Advanced Isolation Theory

For those of you who are quite confident with isolations -

A characteristic of isolations that many people play with but dont do conciously:
When playing an isolated Figure 8 most people play with the hand (not the Poi-Head) leading to the other side.This is easier and bears better control of the isolation. But you can also play with the Poi-Head leading the isolation - and the hand following !
They may not look very different from each other, but the underlying motion is quite different.
When you understand to differenciate, 5 beat isolation become loads easier (but still are veryvery difficult)

whats isolation?
so many terms i dont understand

basically an isolation is when your hand spins around the poi head.

also called illusions by me, and the person who showed them to me for first time, and possibly a few other people.

But the center of isolation is still the middle of poi ,so where is the difference?
The difference is if I create the isolation by the head or bythe hand? I dont understand it...


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its all isolations, i think.

i think the difference poi box was talking about was weather you lead across to your other side with the poi head or your hand.

poibox, i totally understand, this is how you do shoulder snakes with poi.

T

yer i'm with ya too.

makes for some lovely illusion movements(poihead led isolation exits from uglies as coleman will attest...)(isolated btl stuff too...)

mmmm sorted some tasty snakes after months of polishung them with clubs they trnsfer sooooo gorgeously...


R

Horizontal Isolations - I'm up to about 4 beats then it just falls apart and looks crap.

Damn hard, and have a horrible feeling they're a bit pointless *sigh*

they aren't pointles.. I really dig the effect of and isolated buzzsaw corkscrew going up and down..

the thing i don't like about horizontal isolations is that if i do them as slow as vertical ones i get an egg timer kind of shape with each of the poi and they hit my bottom hand.

gravity bad for flat isolations

for my part, I'm better at horizonal buzzsaw isolations than vertical ones. I love doing them... they feel sooo good!

yes, i think I'm better at horizontal isolations as well. that's how I learnt them.
I'm still working at the bycicle wheel, that is so hard but damn beautiful!
they all look and feel beautiful. remember when I saw them for the first time at Clapham..

*We're all mad here*

picked up a poi last night, waggled my hand in a circle for a bit and this is what i figure:

horizontal plane isolations require a constant force by your hand to keep them going.
once you have enough speed, they will stay pretty flat.

vertical isolations are trickier for a very good reason - gravity is fukkinwit'choo.

with the example of a forwards (vertical) isolation, more force is required when your hand is on the top front part of the circle.
this is because the poi will be on its way up (on the other side of the circle) and working against gravity.

hence vertical isolations are a bit trickier.
but it does give you the choice of giving your isolations a 'clunky' quality.

a friend mumbled something about 'isolations with a beat' to me a while back and this optional 'clunk' (the bit where you start applying force to the motion again) is what i would say he was on about.



back to the balls...

There should have been another post where I said I got it wrong... where has it gone?

Anyways, I mistook horizontal isolations with a humble isolated weave..
Feeling a bit embarrassed.. all those names are a bit confusing to a non-english-mother tongue

Thanx, scoiattolo, for making me realize. and thanx coleman for trying to explain.

My buzzsaw is getting a bit better, still working at that.

So do horizontal isolations look like a kind of corscrew?

"We are all mad here" L.Carroll

I bought Alice in wonderland for me lady last month. She loved it.
Bread and butterflies

hey, thanx a lot!
*stregAi blushes*
and the lovely scoiattolo told me something about you, too
hope we'll all meet soon.

Carroll is really great. Bought a nice copy of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland last summer in London, and it included Alice's Adventures Underground, apart from an interesting biography and nice pictures. weird to know how he was obsessed by Alice and children in general.
Cool photos link, thank you.

ok, I'll never call any trick humble again.. i'll just go playing

what I still find very hard tho, is to move isolations, without having them wilting.
guess it's just a matter of practicing.

S

"The adventures first".."explanations take such a dreadful time."

completely off topic but i thought one extra lewis carroll link wouldn't go amiss (especially this story)

Sylvie & Bruno

i can no make a isolated transition all the way round in a circle.

backwards iso weave into sideways then buzzsaw, then round again then back into iso weave

tis confuzuncing tho

hugonomad