Poi as viewed by other object manipulators.

*feels silly*

juggler wasn't who i thought he was...

which is strange because he said he was going to register and post the exact same thing as his first post obviously people who throw and catch stuff must think alike...

now i'm wondering who juggler really is.

Simian

Thanks for your interesting posts. Who is this juggler? It can't be me since he said that he had never had any problems with poi, and i'm pretty sure i've slagged off poi in your ear a few times!! Nice post about the workshop last week - i know what u mean about there being to many spinners - a lot of jugglers were getting annoyed, but in that kind of situation I just find a space and start juggling, people will generally move out the way and stay out the way -

Only three more weeks to go before us jugglers get our big space back! i will post a long an interesting article on this subject when my boss isn't standing behind me! And thanks for telling everyone I'm a pussy cat.

Hex

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edited - for Brodie

i'm pretty disappointed at how this thread is seen by many as a call to defend their poi against the nasty poi haters. Totally apart from the fact that that is totally unneccesary on a poi forum where everyone likes poi, it's also an immediate THEM vs US reaction which is utterly wrong-headed.

Poi is disliked for valid reasons. We have to understand that, and take steps to minimise it and overturn the prejudices that inconsiderate and bad spinners have caused.

sorry monkey am a little stressed

I'm going to try and avoid getting into the confrontation that seems to have emerged over people arguing how easy/difficult poi is compared to juggling, being a juggler i find it difficult to swing poi and get into it - i don't know that much poi (but yes, probably more than simian's juggling skills) so therefore find it quite difficult to play. Whereas I can juggle 5 balls and play for hours on end

I don't have a problem any more with poi, especially having seen aerotech poi and since I've started hanging out with poi people (and invading their space (albeit vertical space) at their spinning workshop, with my juggling). But yes, I used to have a serious dislike for them, mainly because of the space around them they use up at juggling workshops. There was a time last summer at my local juggling club that most of the space was taken up by spinners (mainly poi), which is ok for a week or two but week after week and it starts to get seriously annoying when u only need two feet of space and can't find it in a large hall.

Nowadays though poi doesn't annoy me because since juggling at the spinning workshop i have realised that poi and staff users actually have a lot of spacial awareness, I never get hit by their equipment. But after the last workshop (note Simian's earlier post) there were far too many spinners in a tiny space. I arrived, found a space and started juggling knowing that spinners would see me and not get in the way.

By the way Simian, I have no idea where u got the notion from that I (apologies, not sure how to quote yet) "he likes good poi, but gets annoyed by poiers who don't bother to practice, but invade his workshops to show off badly." ...i've been admiring a lot of poi recently, but generally at workshops i look up not sideways.

Hex

OK THIS BIT GONE COS ITS NOT NECESSARY ANYMORE.
after brodies edit.
oh the joy of editable forums
hugs a
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tooo many sweeping generalisations in this thread:

some jugglers don't get excited about poi
some poi spinners don't get excited about juggling

some poi swingers don't have any sense of whats going on around them
some jugglers don't have any sense of whats going on around them

some poi swingers are very very good dancers
some jugglers are very very good dancers (Gail Biselache (sp?) stefan sing)

some poi spinners are very technical and do things which are really difficult to learn
some jugglers are very technical and do things which are really difficult to learn

something which is very difficult to learn to do is not better, and can (and often does) look really [censored]

lots of juggers are really lovely people
lots of poi swingers are really lovely people.

"BE EXCELELNT TO EACH OTHER"

well said drew

i do both and enjoy both

I've been keeping out of this but what I wanted to say hasn't been said and seems so absurdly obvious that I thought I'd add it.

I spin.
I don't go to juggling meet-ups.
I don't go because I'm not a juggler.
I assume if a juggler wants to see/try/talk-about/share the tricks of spinning they will come to a spinning meet-up.
Jugglers have come to the spinning meet-ups I've been to.
There's been no lack of acceptance of spinning from the jugglers who came to spinning meetups, because they spin.

So it seems to me, if you go to a juggling meet-up, and want to be accepted, juggle. Do some poi perhaps but at least show an interest in what the group is about.

Likewise people coming to spinning meet-ups should spin. They can juggle as well, sure, but show some interest in what the group is about.

If you can't or won't show interest in the core skill a group is focussed on, ask yourself this one question: Why are you there?

indeed to Glass

Disagree with Neuron, although i was considering suggesting the same thing before. i don't want to force Hex to spin at spitz (i just gently persuade ). And definite NO to making the monkey juggle just because he's at a workshop called Just Jugglers

how about some practical advice on what to do when spinners start crowding out others?

the first time i went to one workshop, a juggler gave me a telling off for not respecting peoples space after nearly hitting someone who walked close to me. i still think she was over-reacting a bit and we're cool now (altho she still has some serious poi issues )
but it did make me feel very unwelcome at the time, and i nearly never went back

so because i don't want to be a killjoy, or make people feel unwelcome, i don't generally tell people when they should maybe cool it a bit and spin smaller.

(One occasion springs to mind from a little while back when two HoPPers who shall remain anonymous *cough[Nix?]coughBrassmonkeycough* were doing horizontal 5' meteor contact tricks in aforementioned small crowded juggling workshop. Still makes me giggle just thinking about it actually )

often i catch myself getting carried away and not remembering that i'm spinning in a confined area.

So if we accept that people (myself included) sometime need 'telling off' more
and that it's in a generally extremely informal and rules free environment
and that we don't generally want to make people feel unwelcome
then how do we do that?

i know peeps is all a bit annoyed and heated about this, but isn't it easier just to be nice to eachother?

if i'm at a poi thing and a juggler thinks i'm getting in the way i just move. I'm not a pushover, but i don't see any POInt in arguing for the sake of a very insignificant bit of space.

if i go to juggling stuff with my bro then i have a go at juggling, even though i'm rubbish and really have very little interest in juggling myself. Admittedly i don't go all the time, and if i did i might not feel like juggling every week, but that's the exact reason why i don't go all the time.

It's comparible to deliberatley getting in the way of a jogger in the street cos you think jogging isn't fun. Frankly it's just rude and i can't think of any other situation where there would even be debate.

We all have to live in this world together!

Been enjoying this discussion.

and agree greatly with what glass said.

I get a little amused at juggling workshops, when jugglers are wizzing round the hall on unicycles, snakeboards, ect.. and will happilly play with a whole range of toys which don't clasify as Juggling. then turn round and say that poi shouldn't be allowed because "it's not big, it's not clever and it's certainly not juggling."

If juggling workshops and conventions, stuck only to juggling.... I am sure that even the hard line jugglers would find it a bit boring.

and off course Poi spinning activities can be greatly complimented by good hearted jugglers.

Hugs all round (especially to those who know me)

Fable

(still looking for a path with a heart!)

wow.
didn't read the post that got all this going, but i can guess the contents from the various replies.

this was never intended to be a 'which is better and why' thread, nor a 'why we hate people who do the other' thread, nor even a what is wrong with attitudes' thread, but a '

'what is the current perception of spinning amongst other manipulators, is it positive or negative, why, and if negative, how can we change that, and most importantly, how we can all be contentedly spinning/juggling/handstanding etc alonside each other in harmony' thread.


i for one couldnt agree more with part 2 of drews post.

nice one

and a second to 'if you are insulting jugglers indiscriminately you are insulting me' point.
without juggling i would NEVER have started poi spinning.
and i try not to forget my first love.

chill
R

glass replied to a bad post made by me was nott quoteing you, dont worry mate twas my fault not urs

i guess because it's likely to attract people who just want to be antagonistic for their own amusement.

i'd be interested to see how you worded the link, and any replies there.

Can anyone link a link back to the link that Dave linked?

Quotes himself because he'd like some answers to ignored question:

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how about some practical advice on what to do when spinners start crowding out others?

...if we accept that people (myself included) sometime need 'telling off' more
and that it's in a generally extremely informal and rules free environment
and that we don't generally want to make people feel unwelcome
then how do we do that?

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At Brixton last week i thought that spinners were really taking over the workshop so to speak, so my answer to you is what i posted previously on this thread, find a space and let people spin near/around you (after all it is essentially a juggling workshop), but assume they will not interfere with what you are doing. However, I guess if someone kept hitting me with their stick/poi/staff/whatever, i would ask them to move slightly one way or the other,as I don't need that much space to juggle so I wouldn't think i was being rude. Especially given the space that we have for the next three weeks. In short i would go for the (non-verbal) "i'll stand here and juggle, look how much space i'm using, you go around me, you require more space."

Having said that what if all the spitz spinners were forced to cram into the (lower) Brixton space, how would you ask a fellow spinner to mind out? (I know it's a hypothetical question).

P.S. The juggler who had a go at you has a problem with spacial awareness, not poi. She had a go at me for unicycling too close to her recently whilst she was practicing, I suppose she does have a point

Yeah i suppose the answer is obvious really...


ask
nicely


She has a problem with spatial awareness?!? shall i tell her you said that?
i know that she's luffly really - and she swings clubs so she's a secret spinner herself

No don't tell her I said that, She just likes to practice her stuff without people spinning, passing or unicycling etc. round her. She likes her space. And yes, she is lovely. Not sure if she's a secret spinner tho...