Isolation - what???

Nah, negatives become positive percentages of extension

But I agree. I just dont see much point in putting a value to how isolated something is aside from maybe a difference between regular isolation and point isolation.

NYC, my chains are as long as Skunks, just ask him. It is possible to do a 50% or greater isolation with them. It's pretty extreme though. (I gotta post some videos)

I don't think negatives would be neccessary. It's the center point from your hands out no matter how your spinning. We don't have to stick to the % thing, it was just a way to communicate my question

I just know I put alot more movement into my isolations than I see others doing and I wanted to push the envelope. Come on guys, try it with long poi.

Thanks everyone for all the helpful responses, and to Tao Star for starting the thread

And, the introduction into to the “mind boggling “ world of total point isolations, percentage and negative isolations, “reel" isolations and real isolations

Anyhow, just so you know where I was coming from, I had this idea about reciprocating motion and isolations.

Reciprocating motion being where large masses oscillate back and forth in harmonomic motion. Which is a bit of a hang-over from me motor biking days when I played with reciprocating motors, and pistons and though about degree before top dead centre, instead of poi.

Dom, I hope to be in Melburp tonight, and will try and catch up with Cass.

Cheers everyone

Think one arm, its all the same series:
Shoulder circle
Elbow circle
wrist hand finger circles
Isolation (half weigh between handle and centre of mass of the poi)
powered isolations - moving towards the head (much more effort, you're forcing the poi
Head isolations - not seen or done continuously yet but a beat or two is fairly easy for a bit of expression

Stone: if you want more info. Search back through my posts about Isolations. yes quite a lot like the first link you posted.
Normal isolations are not a trick that I like to do with clubs,
explore snakes with clubs to walk in the same medow
Also OT from other thread: stone: what sort of online instructional dance videos were you after, I may be able to help.

Thanks for the good advice Glass. I’ve gone back re-learnt a few things, and I’m happy with my poi. I suppose this a bit rhetorical, but you mentioned snakes which got me thinking that with powered isolations you are pushing, so there should a pull isolation as well, like the draw spiral snakes?

The dance stuff was running man/caterpillar type stuff But, I’ve given up on dance videos, and I’m applying club knowledge to my toes and feet, so one day I’ll be able to walk on rice paper

Cheers

With weave isolations, I think it's more important to get the chains parallel and have your body move gracefully rather than worry about the % of isolation. Still, with my short chains I think I get pretty close to 50% without changing styles too much.

For point isolations, it definitely helps to have very heavy poi heads...

Can someone please post/post a link to an isolation video? I'm trying to pick up isolations as well as isolation weaves and would like an example to study if at all possible...

Ok, flash light,

:R

Yes. If you have very long arms, very short poi or a trampoline.

an image or even better video means a thousand words

http://www.motsplace.com/poi/Isolation.html

hmmm.. i can do isolations but I'm looking now for a 3 beat isolation video.. anyone know where I could find such a video?

i've read all of the isolation threads around, and i get the concept of it, but when i put it into practice somehow it looses all sense of understanding. I can without the poi make the bicycle circles with my hands, but when i add even just one poi usually my hands refuse to make a circle as i know i'll hit myself, and if i bring up the courage to try the poi just makes a bigger circle. I think i just cant make the middle of the cord/chain stay in one place.

Any tips? Is there a technique to starting it off? I tried the shopping bags and can do that but when i try a circle from it it just goes everywhere.

the people in back are fun too
there are tangles with tails and other guy doing isos and a guy doing double staff and girl with a regular staff

the best part was the people trying to get through

I still can't do isolations very well They just seem to fall out of the sky and when i put more power into them, they stop islolating

then i suggest stop thinking about doing them and think about how cool that looks...the more confident the more power should come into them

Thanks