Calling all hyperloop boffs

This is something that has been annoying me for ages i can hyperloop pretty much every time in with a forward 3bt weave and reverse but only in one direction (rev: r to l, for: l to r) And i just don't seem to be capeable of doing a full hyperloop 'back the other way' Instead i'm just airwrapping, or two beat hyperloop if that's it's name. can anyone suggest why cos i for the life of me cannot see what is wrong . My hands don't feel that they are in the wrong place. It's just as soon as the poi should be in the buzzsaw part of the trick they untangle.

Does anyone know what's going on?

Thank you in anticipation

Tennis

im having that problem aswell...
but im quite pleased i learnt to do it in one direction though... i suspect the other direction will come soon, or later as it may well be.

*risks wrath*

by full hyperloop do you mean a tangle buzzsaw?

where the poi tangle, move to buzzsaw, move out on other side, untangle?

if so then its just time . make sure your hands are in 3 and 9(clock positions) ie. horizontal.

the reason its untangling is that you don't have your poi heads inbetween your hands.

watch the way you do it the other side really closely. including the speed your hands move at, and as importantly, where they move to when you first tangle.in an airwrap they don't move, and the poi pop out. in a side to side hyperloop your hands move to the othe side really fast. in a tangle buzzsaw they move quite quickly to be either side of the poi heads....

help?
i hope so.

sorry if not.

R

have no fear bluecat i'm not one to get confusing with names and i think your talking about the same thing but i just can't get it to work.

Slightly changing the subject, did i not see you oli forwards hyperlooping from right to left and very smoothly back again to your right when we met?

they were like ordinary hyperloops... i thought you were talking about the tangled buzzsaw variety where they spin around inside you arms for a bit..

if you did mean them, i couldnt do them then, ive only just learnt them, and am having te problem you described, and am now of to try what bluecat suggested

Soooooo THAT is what is meant by a tangled buzzsaw? I call this an outside-inside-outside hyperloop... I was under the impression that the tangled BUZZSAW variety was starting on the inside, moving it outside across the wrap, and then moving the hands to the other side with the poi in the middle to unwrap (inside-outside-inside hyperloop). Not to say I've ever done one of those, but this is what I pictured.... similar to the way a butterfly airwrap wraps.

Help?

right, it sounds like i have never come across a tangled buzz saw before and thought it was a 'ordinary hyperloop'.
Anyone fancy explaining in layman's terms what the hell a tangled buzz saw is?

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*risks wrath*

by full hyperloop do you mean a tangle buzzsaw?

where the poi tangle, move to buzzsaw, move out on other side, untangle?

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thats what i understand by tangled buzzsaw, but i think other people see it differently. im not sure.

ooooh....

a 'hyperloop'
hands at 3 and 9, tangles on left side, moves to right side, untangles.
or the other way round of course

just to recap an old arguement of mine: these are airwraps that go from one side of your body to another.

hence the vaaaast naming arguement between me, dan and a few others...

I'll repeat what I put on beefy's thread...

tangled buzzsaw- (airwrap) tangles inside the arms does the buzzsaw tthen untangles upon exiting (i.e. before the outside...)

hyperlooping buzzsaw- (hyperloop) [outside-inside-outside] begins as normal hyperloop on the outside of the arms passes through the middle and back outside where it untangles...

so er...you would have to be in some kind of buzzsaw 'move' before going into a 'tangled buzzsaw' yes?!

I'd have thought the difference is that in a regular hyperloop your arms simply move across your body, whereas in a tangled buzzsaw when the poi are both inside you are doing a buzzsaw motion with your arms to keep the tangle going for longer than it would otherwise before bringing them outside of your arms to untangle.

to do a hyperlooping buzzsaw-
start a hyperloop (lets say on the right side) as it goes to the left side, move your left arm over.. the poi will pass on the left side of your body, but between the arms.. and then pass outside the arms on the left side where it untangles as normal.. you have to learn to be patient, it is a hyperloop and it takes a minute to gettting used to holding your hands still that long.. even though you want to work at untangling them dont.. they'll work themselves.. just keep your hands at the same level (you know how one is a little higher and one hand a little lower)
before you know it, you'll be able to control it mroe..

to do a tangled buzzsaw-
correction to my last post on this.. from the 5 bt weave, enter the buzzsaw a beat late (not earlay like is said last time) in other words.. instead of leading with the left into the buzzsaw, let the left continue to weave and enter with the right poi.. this will cause the right poi to go over your left hand and come up from underneath in the buzzsaw, followed by the left poi... as the left poi enter the buzzsaw the tanlge is formed (from the right crossing around the left arm/poi string).. it will airwrap.. (i.e. do one rotation each poi) and then untanlge as it exits to the outside, in a similar fashion to the tanlge process.. this one is little harder to give a good written description for...

I'm trying to get a video made.. I just don't have much timelately.. I should have one out by mid-late january with each of these.. and maybe some of the corkscrew variants..

right i was just playing around with my poi and i had an idea. i tried to do it for a while and it wasnt working so i thought id ask if it was actually humanely possible.

what i was trying to do was when i was doing what rev just described as a hyperlooping buzzsaw, instead of exiting from the buzzsaw part of of the move on the oppostite side to the side that you entered it on, was to try and exit it from the same side as i entered it, eg go from weave on right side to the tangled buzzsaw part of the move back to a weave on the right. i couldnt get anything to untangle, it did occour to me it might not be possible. but i thought id check.

i hope that makes sense. and someone has an answer.

I getyou I think, for the tangle bussaw id call a buzz hype, but its the same thing,

I think the first one you mean like the same principal, but between the arms and the body planes rather thanboth sides of the body. basically you go for an airwrap (tangle that starts and exits on the same side of the body but the planes tangle in an 'x' between the arms.) but shove one hand forward and it bussaws in the wall plane, you can pull it back after 2,4,6 whatever beats but do you mean just leaving it to run?

got the question out eventually.

in deferance to onewheeldave, i will now paragrapg this page...

but not spellcheck it (shudder)

Tom

I call it an airwrapo because it tangles inside the arms and untangles inside the amrs... not on the right or left side... but the move itself goes from right to left.. i.e. you weave on the right.. it tanlges between your arms and untangles.. and then continues out the left side... same thing from left to right...

I think that's what you guys are asking..not sure...

regyt saw me doing buzzsaw fountains with them at one point this weekend..

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tangled buzzsaw- (airwrap) tangles inside the arms does the buzzsaw tthen untangles upon exiting (i.e. before the outside...)

hyperlooping buzzsaw- (hyperloop) [outside-inside-outside] begins as normal hyperloop on the outside of the arms passes through the middle and back outside where it untangles...

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Rev

Dude, thats exactly the same move. Although we could sit round all day debating it.

Back to the real question : If you do a wrong (not that there is such a thing) amount of rotations, the tangle that holds the chains wont exist, and the poi come out and hit u in the so u guys should go back to couting maybee 3 rotations before untangle/ crossover, and also the amount of rotations before it enters the loop. That way when u get it u'll know exactly what u are doing and what works for you , and after that you can just add more and more rotations.

Good luck.

I'm not saying there wholly different.. its just like an airwrap vs. hyperloop.. its just as matter of where it begins and ends... ie. one begins and ends in the same plane and the other changes planes...