Palm spin to neck wrap transfers? tips neone

and like rob said, you can put your hands together at the end of the steve 'in a special way' to get back to the start of the steve and start steveing all over again without it touching your hands! A continous steve!

Plus you can do a static steve: No spin as it runs down your arm (like a Globetrotter), so you have to do a quick turn to get it on the other shoulder and roll it down the other arm.

how many have we got now?

nonononononononononono.


a half -steve goes, hand(left for this instace), down arm, round neck, up arm into right hand.

a full steve then goes back gown the right arm, round the fromt of the neck, back up to the left hand.

ben i will show you the difference at the conv.


enjoy
R


ps. mcp i'm sure i must know you from edinburgh...

well the continous-half-steve makes me feel good.

but the full steve THATS IMPOSSIBLE! I tried that. Either it was neck calamity or an arm to arm join in front.

Yeah, I know you from Edinburgh - You're rob, and I'm meg, also called Mophead, I'll leave that to your imagination. 8*)

im wondering where abouts u move your arm to after the staff spins across the front of your neck. ive been trying it guiding the staff through with my hand and cant get it to work. the only possible way i could see it happening is if it came off my should smoothly with my arm facing out to the side with my palm facing up and then bringing my arm around behind to the back of my head. any other ideas?

im finding when i try though the staff doesnt want to leave my shoulder as easily as when going round the back of my neck. ne tips?

[ 15. September 2003, 04:28: Message edited by: ben-ja-men ]

yah, thats the bit i got trouble with too.

T

mmmmmm i may have to work on some sort of shoulder dislocation whilst twirling . that or maybe arching backwards slightly to make it easier for the staff to roll off

tom and james you are both getting into trouble for that quote.

I read in a thread ages ago that these sort of moves aren't really possible with a staff under 5 feet. Is that true??

there is no staff

I love the feel of this move. I've got it happening with single staff, although could use a bit of polish me thinks. Would some one be willing to explain how it works with doubles in a bit more detail? I'll go try it now, but don't get quite get just what it is I'm trying...

Tom:

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if from there you go back down the arm, round the front of the neck and back (absolutly inpossible) then its a full steve.

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rob:

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a half -steve goes, hand(left for this instace), down arm, round neck, up arm into right hand.

a full steve then goes back gown the right arm, round the front of the neck, back up to the left hand.

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No. that sould like rubbish.
A Steve is a person he has 2 leg and 2 arms and is a firend of mine.

king of the bongo, Steve wouldn't ever name a move after himself. he's a bit too gentle for that.

He has in he past found and developed many (awsome) moves with stick, clubswinging 1 ball and random other props.

I don't know what he calls them, but before you go randomly naming moves after someone as a mark of "respect", why not go ask that someone who developed them and taught them to the rest of us what he calls them?

not such a daft Idea huh ???

I think he doesn't care for names and for all we know he calls them all "this one", as a result of all the workshops he teaches, amongst juggling community in europe there are a lot of clubswinging and stick moves know as "steves move" or "one of steves moves". not as the name of the move, but just remember the workshop in grenoble 6 years ago* where he taught it.
(*or similar workshops, i didn't make this up, somone refered to it a year ago in bremen when they showed me a lovely move.)
Unless there was some mortal god who taught him loadsa stuff with a stick, which I dont think is the case, then He is pretty much the father of contact staff.

and tom you seem to be making up some fairly Kookoo names.
Like full steve and half steve. I'd never use those names and I'm sure steve never would.
Ugh.

I'd give you really good odds that steve would never try to do this around the neck variation in a horizontal shoulder roll, that you're calling a "full steve" (ugh a horrible name, steve is a definatly a person, not a move)
Its not impossible, but its really not his style.
but it dosn't suit me either So I won't be going for it unless I change to a marcus style stick.

The shoulder roll that steve does, with or without a spin on the back or the neck, definately isn't a half of anything.
Its a complete move,
I reckon its one of the most pure and most perfect moves in contact staff,
maybe you missed that. or maybe I'm missing something, tom, what is the other half?

Mind you, I still don't know how rob can do this with doubles, its ****ing legendary.

And tom hope your doing lots of contact up there is scotland with that fun-guy.

word at bedtime
Drew

And ben
in answer to the original question,
do it slower
and practice
shed loads.

well, actually....

I dont call it a half steve, i call it, well, this one (demonstrates) but other peaple call it that and the name has stuck, its just a name, would a rose and all that?

perhaps if I was refering to the real person it would be the Mushy pea wrap

pedant of poi! :slap:

T

Glass,

I agree with most of the points you've made, especially about asking steve what he calls this move (or category of moves)!
I havn't really been around contact sticking for long enought to have any valid opinion on this, but I think of him as the father of contact staffing, the ease, perfection and creativity with which he uses his staff certainly suggest it to me.

But in terms of naming this beautiful family of moves, i think constantly calling moves 'this one' or 'that one' just hinders communication between jugglers. The arm roll/neck spin/arm roll move and all its variations have become so popular that they deserve a proper name, rather than the above mere description. It doesn't have to be 'steve' of course, we could call it whatever, and i guess steve ought to have his word on this.

But then words/names have a dynamic of their own - people seem to have stuck to the name 'steve', they use it and they understand what is meant by it - i.e. a functioning communication - and now its going to be pretty impossible to reverse that. And who knows - maybe mushy pea steve feels honoured by the fact others have named a genre of moves after him, after all its kind of acknowledging the inventor. That doesn't mean he has to use it him self - that would just seem arrogant, and he's not that kind of person !

anyway, enough rambling - there's my toughts on this anyway

Mike

In contact juggling with a ball,
the equivalent move is called a shoulder roll.
that make sense,
meg call it a neck roll, that makes sense too.

across the front with a ball is a chest roll,
you can spin it the other way and do a walk in 7 steps instead of a roll to get that with a stick

[ 13. October 2003, 07:13: Message edited by: Glåss ]

Glass,

contact ball terms dont really translate to stick, cos a ball doesnt have a rotation function, it dosnt matter where the ball 'points' becouse its round, hence isolations.

Also, a sholder roll in stick, at least by the terminology I use is a compleatly diffrent thing, its a vertical move that runs over the shoulder.

I think Ben hits it on the head, language survives or perishes by its use value, in this context asking steve what he calls it is besides the point, because the use value comes from the other individuals describing to each other, rather than the originator desribing to thoes that follow.

Im afraid your getting mixed up between the singifier and the signified, a perilous trap in the post modern world.

get over it, its just a name, we could call it "that move that glass dosnt like being called the 'steve'" if you want, but its not so snappy.

T

Yes, that's another interesting point - (and nothing to do with the 'steve' discussion) - people tend to use the term 'roll' interchangably to mean to totaly different types of staff tricks. Since staff are, unlike balls, not symetric in all directions, one can roll them round an axis that is the 'staff axis' (like a steve) or round an axis that is normal to the staff axis (like a elbow roll) ... two vey different things.
It would be nice to have two different words for those .. hmmm any ideas ?

Mike

maybe roll for when it rotates around the staff axis and wrap when the staff rotates around a point on the staff

true, but staff acess rolling on its own means non spinning, which is an easy desciption in itself. the steve rolls along the acess and around the centrepoint at the same time, do we kneed to differentiate?

T