Fishtails

hmm that's a smashing idea, alienfox!
only when i try to forget that i cant do things, i generally just misplace my house keys instead!

Humm, This Thread Has Been Higacked! By Mistress Bams no less!

I aprove!

Dont worry, me and blue will see what we can do about your fishy hands miss bams!

T

Haha yes well, My staff keeps going to hit me in the nads when i try this, which is very unhealthy for my health (unhealthy for my health? What the...?). and, when i try to do fishtails, i end up hitting myself or launching my staff and hitting other people

Do you actually move your hand up and down in a fig 8 like Tanessa says? at the moment i'm sorta making a fishtail movement with my hand. mebbe thats what i'm doing wrong. hmm...

Has anyone tried entering fire twirling into a search box for dating services? hmmm...

Ohh Mr +) thank you.... 2 more days to go

I was given so much help last night at Spitz with the fishy tails
DsAds you've helped it make more sense.
Alicat.....girl you're good with fishies forward backwards and with left and right hands

The three of us worked on some nifty little fishtails to contact moves last night. I'll try and explain then when I figure out what I'm actually doing

*Snuggles*

Bammy

thankyou so much for your help o fishy ones! I can now manage a few forward fishtails on my right side, and a direction change with my wrist movements.

does this mean i'll have to learn a secret fishtail handshake?!?

cool

Bender: yes, you have to have a bucket of cold water ready....

Heckler: hava look at the col4 trailer, theres a closeup forward fishtial on there...

Mss Bam: Cant wait! hehehe

T :fish:

heh heh cold water hey?
thanks again for the advice, you has been nothing but helpful
tonight I've got that 'just learnt the weave' feelin!
did i mention that you guys rawk!?!?!?
/dips head into bcuket of cold water only to have steam issue forth.

Hey Bammy, ta for the reverse Fish Tail, can do it now!!!

Oh and found a slight variation where you can do left elbow contact, to rotation, to fishtail on right side, and back into middle then finish off the second (right) elbow contact.

nout that look too amazing but is quite nice.

See ya spoons

Ads

Now all I need to do is get me an office big enough to swing a stick in!!!

DsAds well fone on getting the rev fishy ...and now that's to you I've got the forward one

Slipping into the contact moves a bit tricky still though. Might have to go away and play with it for a while me thinks.

Bammy

I am not just to used to batons....

Anyways, proper fishtales take place in front of the body (side to side). If the staff is too long, during the transition from side to side you will hit yourself right in the chest (that is if you are actually doing the fishtales right). Being a former baton twirler has given me a definate advantage over all staff spinners. I don't expect you non baton twirlers to understand, but plz don't forget that I am a very advanced staffer as well, and it was my baton twirling that made this staff spinning a breeze...

Like I have said before, if you want to learn total control of spinning any kind of stick apparatus, I challenge you all to go to your local communities and take baton twirling lessons. After that, you will have become much more advanced in any stick spinning.

Erm, I did baton twirling for ten years and then stopped for a chunk of time before I picked up a staff. While there's a lot of crossover and a lot of skills to be exchanged I find the two to be very different disciplines, actually.

I've had to UNlearn loads of conventions from baton when learning new staff moves, especially regarding contact, pattern and flow (i.e. breaks ARE allowed in the movement) especially for double staff... Staff is so much more free, it's really refreshing to not have so many rules to stick to!

Having a discplined grounding in baton (pattern, thumb toss, high throws, speed, technique/balance etc) has been great - given me a head start and a different staff style to BamBam and the others, but we exchange loads of valuable info and I certainly don't think it makes baton twirlers superior in any way.

Unless of course you were joking, in which case sorry for not getting it!

Bam thank you for the gorgeous compliment! I ain't that good... gonna be cool to hook up some contact moves from fishies and stuff though!

Oh, and whoever said it was basically a figure 8 in front with the hand - spot on, that's exactly how I try to describe it. Glad people are getting it, I think it's a gorgeous move.

Ali-bird xxx

Tanessa, baton is beautiful, staff is beautiful. And i would never presume that baton is any less magickal becuase of my love of staffage. that would just be disrespectful.

plus, +) is a funny dude and perched a winky at the end of his tanessa statement. You are amongst friends here, (however smelly!!) and i admire all spinners of all implements, from the highly skilled to the yet-to-fishtail!!!

ps mucho respect for your fishtail instructions!! alas, my sticks won't allow me to perform it proper baton-style ie in front, but your side-to-side emphasis truly did put my attention to something i needed to know in order to be like +)!
i highly recommend that you see the adaptation of luverly baton-style moves in the 'Circles of Light 4' compilation - it's 3 hours of skill and beauty!! da trailer is here.

many happy trails!!

It seems I have hit myself in the head too many times with my own baton, that I can't translate thought to words anymore!!!, he, he

Guys and Gals, I did not mean to offend, again, but it seems I did. "Baton twirling has given me a definite advantage to learning staff" is how I should have put the statement, because I don't want you other staffers to think that I think I am the "All Mighty" in this sport because I am not. I was simply trying to help out describing fishtales, and put forth the challenge of learning more spinning in different forms. I believe that the more educated we all become, the better we will become at everything. Being a former baton twirler has given me an advantage to learning staff really quickly and easily. As the former baton twirler stated above that it helped give a different twist to her spinning compared to some others. Luckily, I didn't have to unlearn any baton skills, but I did also have to make the transition of the moves from baton to staff.

My first and only staff lesson I took was when I was in Australia. I was at a hostel when a fire performing group came to entertain us. There was a girl staffing (and performed really well) and I thought, "hey, that looks like a bigger baton". After, the girl let me touch her staff I was surprised it was just as light as a baton. I then proceeded to do a few baton moves for her that could be incorporated into her performance. Her eyes looked like they were going to jump from her face, he, he. She was definately interested in learning some new moves (this in particular was elbow rolls). The next day I went for a free lesson on staffing. The guy who taught me was pretty good, did all different types of spinning, staff, poi, etc. He basically taught me a few transiton moves and explained to me the way the staff should work (I guess this was for beginners like me). But he kept saying "What the **** am I supposed to show a champion baton twirler?!?" But without this one lesson of him explaining the dynamics of the sport, I wouldn't have been able to make my smooth transition into staffing. I feel that if I had no baton experience, I would not have the skills, nor be at the level of spinning that I am.

So, my past experience with baton has definately given me an advantage to learning this sport. It does not make me better than anyone else out there. I have taught many people (mostly guys in martial arts who train with weapons), but my one student Mark, who has had no former training at all, who only did poi before, has learned staff from me. This kid now is sooo good now that sometimes when I watch him I think "Damn, he almost looks better than me spinning! And I have all this experience that he doesn't!". I know there are great spinners out there as my student constantly challenges me (thx Mark). You don't have to be a former batoner to be good at this. I am part of the spinning community as well and people love to watch me spin as I love to watch others spin.

My apologies to all whom I may have offended with my remarks, but I really did not mean any harm. I just want everyone to know that there is still so much that can be learned and incorporated into this sport from many different aspects. I wish all the best in their spinning adventures, and still challenge all to learn more, as I am also doing.

It really does feel great when you are so in control of your staff that this sport feels like a breeze.....

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...but to carve and shape the very atmosphere through which we look and see everyday, that is the finest of the arts.

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just been in the park and finally got doubles fishtails, about 25 in either hand with a couple of turns.... but my shoulders are sore....

Bluecat, whoow !! with short or long staff ?

Mike

bluecat only uses doubles which are about 5ft long.
and he was cracking some sh*t (edit: when did hop let me start swearing again?) hot rocking doubles contact at EJC

Just met an Aussie guy named Steve who has some amazing doubles contact. only person I´ve seen with similar skills is Rob

Seeya in NZ, Rob.

Josh

mr bluecat was indeed "on fire" at the ejc, i only saw him one afternoon before playing some funky games but my jaw did drop when he went "oh, this is quite a cool move" and did some weird move that I cant even begin to imagine how it works...
all hail bluecat, master of the weird twirly sticky moves!!!