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#163578 - 17/07/03 03:10 AM Re: Double staves tutorials: assorted movements & combinations
bender Offline
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Registered: 14/11/01
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
Psi, I saw it on some documentary featuring Keanu Reeves and Carrey-Anne Moss. They get people to learn by reminding themselve to forget kitchen utensils.
or something. [Loco]

Charles, resisting the urge to fire a canon at you, I am humbled at that statement! It was designed for low bandwidth and in my judgement can't compete with broadband sites. [beer]
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#163579 - 18/07/03 08:57 AM Re: Double staves tutorials: assorted movements & combinations
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Nice one bruva!!!

Recently been playing with those WW / mexican wave combos too...but dont confuse the butterfly ww with the ww/mexican, as the full bfly ww is completely possible too, and looks a treat! I cant do it smooth everytime, but it has definite potential.

as for the no-hand cartwheel..thats nuts. much respect!!

Glad to see you still pushing the boundaries.

Will we get to meet at the Infected Mushroom / Hallucinogen Live Nov 25 Earthcore or what? [Smile]

Perhaps NYE Confest? Rainbow Serpent?

seeya hopefully,

Josh
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#163580 - 18/07/03 09:03 PM Re: Double staves tutorials: assorted movements & combinations
simian Offline
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Registered: 11/10/02
Loc: London
quote:
Originally posted by [Josh]:
the full bfly ww is completely possible too, and looks a treat!


He's not wrong [Big Grin]
Unfortunately, despite practicing it solidly since February i still cant do it smooth everytime either [Crying] Goddam clashy sticks! it would be ok if they made crackly lightsabre noises, at least that would be dramatic. Instead they go ~blonk~ and suddenly i've got a behind the back leg\stick\arm pretzel [Mad]
This occured on every single one of the five or six times i attempted it on video in the last week [Mad] [Mad] [Mad]

[ 18. July 2003, 21:37: Message edited by: simian ]
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#163581 - 19/07/03 08:20 PM Re: Double staves tutorials: assorted movements & combinations
bender Offline
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Registered: 14/11/01
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
see yu soon, josharama! i apologise to youse for not adopting the naming converntions of 'mexican wave' and 'ww' cus i don't want to use poi terms/case poi confusion and i want to use absolutely minimum arbiratary name/nicknames like mexican waves when i can describe them physically
of course, i am a git, and everyone has the right to say 'he's a git, not only does he not use our terms, he touches himself.'
[Eek!]
hey simian, by youse guys saying full butterfly, do ya mean same time bfly poi? im thick i think! [beer]
/read up on poi

next lesson up will be acrobatics
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#163582 - 22/07/03 12:49 AM Re: Double staves tutorials: assorted movements & combinations
Charles Moderator Offline
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Registered: 27/06/01
Loc: Auckland
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#163583 - 21/07/03 08:46 PM Re: Double staves tutorials: assorted movements & combinations
simian Offline
monkey

Registered: 11/10/02
Loc: London
Butterfly = 2 sticks rotating in opposite directions, no actual move is implied

Full btb waistwrap = sidetuck on one side to sidetuck on the other side

so in poi terms (i don't know why you don't like using poi words for double staff, because they're really handy) what you do on the first video is a full btb butterfly waistwrap, with the non-stretching hands going high (the mexican wave bit), seperating the circles you're making (followed by crazy jumpy bit, but we'll ignore that cause i don't understand it [Eek!] )

what Josh was talking about was keeping your hands nearer to each other as you do your sidetucks, doing butterfly crossovers on either side as you do it.

i think... [Confused]
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#163584 - 22/07/03 12:52 AM Re: Double staves tutorials: assorted movements & combinations
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You got it Simian! [Smile]

the full bfly ww requires simultaneous btb crossing and your hands always stay together...and there doesnt need to be any finger spinning either.

Josh

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#163585 - 22/07/03 02:29 AM Re: Double staves tutorials: assorted movements & combinations
bender Offline
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Registered: 14/11/01
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
erm the lessons be updated with an acrobatic movement animation, yipee [Smile]

i had a think over the weekend and decided to adopt the 'waistwraps' term over 'sidetuck' because as simian said it's handy.

my big aversion to non-staff moves for naming staff moves is that while there are many many handy similarities, there are also crucial differences that come with the association.
ie even if you could properly perform the poi waistwrap action with staff, it's not the move being described above.
it would be infinitely simpler to use common twirling terms between different toys, but they simply are different moves and would like to use different names to reflect this vital difference.

my aversion aside, waistwraps do describe it well to a certain degree too - because i didn't want to confuse it with a double waistroll swap (which simultaneously wraps the waist horizontally from opposite sides with staves, swapping hands, performed with a 180 deg bodyturn.)

Josh, that full bfy is bewdiful concept and happily will be one i will be trying out for size! i certainly never thought of it before your great suggestion, thank ye matey! A nang or 10 for you and your missus at Earthcore for your help! [Angel]

narf!
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#163586 - 22/07/03 04:51 AM Re: Double staves tutorials: assorted movements & combinations
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Registered: 12/06/03
Loc: Adelaide
dude those video are awsome and then some just the inspiration ive been looking for
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#163587 - 25/07/03 11:02 PM Re: Double staves tutorials: assorted movements & combinations
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Registered: 25/09/02
Loc: Ballybrack, Dublin
Erm bender, you have me obsessed with doing things, I can't do. I found this though home learning

I know you likely haven't seen it but do you thinks it's possible to learn this stuff yourself. Does that look like a worthwhile buy? I mean if it could progress me to doing no handed cartwheels is 6 hours I'd defo go for it. [Big Grin]
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#163588 - 25/07/03 11:57 PM Re: Double staves tutorials: assorted movements & combinations
bender Offline
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Registered: 14/11/01
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
cheers and thanks, ben man!!

erm deepshoulsheep, i haven't seen that video, so i can't really judge it. does it have nudity? [Eek!]
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#163589 - 27/07/03 06:16 AM Re: Double staves tutorials: assorted movements & combinations
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Registered: 24/07/03
Loc: Reno
Hey y'all -
if you're looking for more info/instruction on aerial cartwheels (and associated other breakdancing moves), try:

breakdancing resources

and search the forums. There should be some good videos in there.

How
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#163590 - 30/07/03 04:01 AM Re: Double staves tutorials: assorted movements & combinations
bender Offline
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Registered: 14/11/01
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
howwoward, cool idea! - i guess it makes me appreciate more the idea that every code out there has their own name for stuff, like in the way australian people call football 'aussie rools' [Smile]
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#163591 - 02/08/03 06:09 PM Re: Double staves tutorials: assorted movements & combinations
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Registered: 24/07/03
Loc: Reno
Thanks bender - I've been working on aerials for wushu for quite a while, and have yet to make any great progress. Sigh. Maybe practice will make perfect!

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#163592 - 02/08/03 09:55 PM Re: Double staves tutorials: assorted movements & combinations
bender Offline
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Registered: 14/11/01
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
then more chi! train harder! [Smile] wushu makes funny noises [Smile]
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#163593 - 03/08/03 12:22 AM Re: Double staves tutorials: assorted movements & combinations
Kyle McLean Offline
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Registered: 03/07/03
Loc: Brisbane, Australia
Nice work bender [beer]

Do ever use any sort of mats or pads when learning new acro stuff? If yes, where do you get them?
I've been getting much better at wacky DamageControlFalling(tm) but I think there are times where for me the psychology if nothing else of having a nice soft landing would be a big help...
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#163594 - 05/08/03 05:03 AM Re: Double staves tutorials: assorted movements & combinations
bender Offline
still can't believe it's not butter

Registered: 14/11/01
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
yeah mate i learnt my acro on the safety of the blue mats and supervision of capoeira and gymnastics classes. I'll update the the kip ups with a proper description soon...

safety equipement = very smart, but nothing beats an accomplised spotter.
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#163595 - 07/08/03 12:41 AM Re: Double staves tutorials: assorted movements & combinations
Kyle McLean Offline
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Registered: 03/07/03
Loc: Brisbane, Australia
Cool Bender, your training has sure paid off well it seems. Are you still in to capoeira? Having a spotter (or two) is indeed very nice, although I've had that go pear shaped once or twice as well. Must get some mats sometime methinks. Never hurt myself yet, but would like to do everything possible to keep it that way.
Keep those Lessons coming mate, some of the best advanced staffing stuff I've seen online!
Flip on,
K
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#163596 - 07/08/03 02:14 AM Re: Double staves tutorials: assorted movements & combinations
bender Offline
still can't believe it's not butter

Registered: 14/11/01
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
heh cool kyle! the reality is that nobody really dies performing acro, but bone breakage and disc slippage are unfortunately not uncommon, well, at least where i practice.
But it does help to be overzealous when explaining it to others, as it can't hurt to be too careful!
Probably the most dangerous factor when training is being surrounded by fit, attractive people in workout gear, or more specifically the complacency that sets in as you try to impress them!
DDAAAAAMMMMNNN YYOOOUUUU FREUD!!! you were so right!!! [Eek!]
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#163597 - 29/04/04 11:22 PM animations are up again [Re: bender]
bender Offline
still can't believe it's not butter

Registered: 14/11/01
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
geeze, after a hugelong absence, I've put the movement animation for each lesson back on the lessons pages today. They went up today on some bandwidth that a friend kindly let me use!
pls enjoy - these images are a bit on the heavy side, so plz bear wif mee.


i like yooo!
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