Need help with baton?

okay lady,
i had nto really thought of the mechanics of it before, but i believe it may work. not sure if it would be classified as a fishtail though, more of a contact wrap type thing, but i gueess that is what a fishtail is.

yeah it would work, if i wer to look straight down and put the staff on the right side of of my neck and then immediately turn my body to the left 180 degrees jsut like a fishtail it should work, then i t would drop down to your hand and you could fishtail it back to the other side. but come to think of it the neck thing i have kind of already done i just never know that it was the same basic concept as the fishtail.

anyways, my staff is about 5 and a half feet long, maybe a little longer. and relatively heavy. hey tanessa thanks for coming here. i have seen a DAMN good baton twirler at work and she is amazing. some of the stuff that she does is just mind boggling. so i look forward to picking your brain a bit more later on...

comes in sees that theres too much to read on a hot day.
promises to come back later with a stick

should we have a whip round 2 bring tannesa 2 london as I'm kinda confused by all these words ! very knowledgable though ! top marks ! I'll just get glass 2 show me
me thinks glass is the male version of tanessa

ok, big thread big reply

its gone all contact, acro and throwy

Nix, ?Don't know why your wrist is strained. what ya doing like

Tanessa, I amm convinced that back of neck is easier off vertical, but I'm not conviced that It can't be done vertical. Just because it seems like its impossible and would slide off has never stopped me trying before.

Pozee, I'm with you I never think that anything is impossible with a stick, I've met the laws of physics, and they're a bunch of wusses. I look forward to seeing you doing a solid neck fishtail with that big ol staff oneday.

Question of the day for the contact possee?
Fish heads (Reverse fish tails)
are they worth the effort to learn?
To me they seem like they dont have the elegance of fishy tails, and they'll never be as nice, so I'm not putting time into them, but if you can convice me that there is a lush or sick variation or move using them, or that they can look good, I'll play.
(reverse, as in time is reversed, ie if you filmed a fishtail and ran video backwards, thats the move)

My Feet still on the ground for the time being so you acro and capo kids can keep your arial work.

Broke my grip on my stick, so I'm just waiting to get a puncture on my bike.

yo ben no more talk of whips this is staff thread you cheaky boy you

glass
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no ben, not me. I'm not nothing like a canadian batoness
I'm still just a beginner with that stick.

nyx?! it scares me how your contact stuph on COL3 confounds me alla time - ima usually good at imagining how to dissect a move!
tanessa, oh so that is what an illusion is? damn i was clutching at straws there, my next guess inolved ninja dust! thanks for the affirmation!
you guys are waaaaaaay too advanced contacty-wise for my fragile imagination to perciece. bring it! me eyes go crosseyed at the sight of contact twirlin'!

oooh ooohohohoho ooooooooh
tried this yesterday kind of by accidant and hurt myself slightly, but lots to play with....
doing 'necktails'( ) but only as a precursor for a wierd back of hand/small of back grab and wrap round chest, when my brain went into capoeira mode and i did a cartwheel with the staff wrapping wround my neck.... would have worked as well if it hadnt been for those pesky kids....*flips back to reality* would have worked if i had been using a 1m or less staff.

but on other batonny moves, i have been practising flatspin stuff that goes back of right hand, ro right shoulder, duck head out of the way, left shoulder, backoflefthand, left shoulder, back roll to back of roight hand.....

still feeling jealous of you nix if only i had entered *sob*

oooh but got the au sem mau(ariel catch) thing with 5ft staff.

and a nicely burned hand from practising it.
Love
R

yo,

Glass, its ok, bit of a twist to get the right contact angle, and a little bash onna wrist the first time but its smooth now. Ive been trying to get the staff to roll over my head from the back to front (moheacan stylee), dats quite fun.

Bender, its 'Nix?', I knew this nyx thing would cause trouble. If you like tha video you should come visit, we got more moves now...

Minero, You sick, sick boy. I been doing the same battony move (humm, 'battony') but without ducking my head and have it go round the back offa neck, want to get it both ways tho...

Teressa, ok, cool, I recon the middle point kneeds to be a little forward of the shoulder yeah? so the staff comes back dwn again and doesnt just fall off the back.?.

Bruises are good for you.

N

it is soo great to see some really enthused contact staffers. i remember when josh first brought it up, and there was noone else that was doing contact stuff. but now look at us. we are kicking ass. i love this stuff.

okay hey nix, remember that double arm thing where it looks like you are grabbing your neck thing that i explained? i am pretty sure that you did it on the video. have you been able to turn a full 360 with it yet. well how about left arm, right arm,turn, front of neck while bending head back,then left arm right arm again...

so many different infinite variatios here i know. it is just like poiwraps,you can just keep going and going if you know where to put it...

yo,

pozzee (humm) unless Im much mistaken that was a 360, but Ill have to look into this over the head thing, maybe easier for me to go over the back offa neck (I tried Minero's chest rolls but Im really not flexible enough). Wernt you on COL3? Im shure I saw your tag but there were no staffs involved.

I remember when josh brought it up and I went, 'whats the hell is that!' and got strait onnit. Thank you Josh.

Love

N

yeah i was on there doing some duo stuff, double butterfly thread the needle, and 2 people doing a weave and turning and thread the needles all with one set of poi.

i did not get a chance to send in any staff work. anyways,the 360 thing. i am going to have to check again, i did not look very close. so what your saying is that you went from left,to right, turn 360 catching on left again and then right again, obviously an infinite as long as you can keep momentum.

well, maybe we should exchange tapes so we can kind of have a practice session together. let me know what you think...

yo,

errm, I go left to right across the back and back to left, onto right again would nearly be 540 (its weird because between elbows is less than 180 and a little more than 90, I think. tits totally possable to do infinatly once you get your pirroette timing right (its not quite in my case). Glass's (ss's, hahaha) recent pivoting contact post is really simalar but the arms are not folded and the pirroette is even more broken up into about 90 degree segments.

Id love to swap some tapes but I suspect you wont have anything to play a PAL digi tape, I know I cant play the american ones. Still, we could maybe find a workaround, come visit!

What we really kneed is a frindly webmaster with spare bandwith we can use for some 'advanced lessons'

have fun,

N

[ 01 August 2002, 10:20: Message edited by: Nix? ]

hint hint huh...

I get my camera back on friday, have reinstalled premier and doms just setting up a new site. I might be able to blag a corner for a couple of fillums

that would be cool as glass.

Pozzee, I wasnt hinting to malcom, I know how precious his bandwidth is and i wouldent want to endanger HoP, butm yea, a hint, and glass got it, yay!

N

Yo Tennessa,

just seen the baton twirling world chanpinoship video that Minero's been raving about for ages, I see what he means and now I have a real question about baton.

of the contact moves there was a flatspin on the back that seemed to go the opposite way the peaple were turning or something. It occurs to me in retrospect that they were doing 180 body and then 180 staff and 180 body and so on, is this the case?

Also there was that woman who had continuious wraps around the shoulder. How do you do that? how do you get the centerpoint to shift? is it to do with the slickness of the batons?

thirdly there was a nice open hand catch that contacted vertically across the back of the shoulders and into the other hand. any tips?

I thought the technical level was exellent if robotic, Im glad we develope our own styles even with the same tricks.

do you know a kind of bending over vertical contact that sorta works upside down? best desciption I can manage at the moment, only saw it once.

Love

N

hmmm.
Where can I watch the vidjo???
or where can I order a copy????
You seen the cubeFX vidjo's right

Must have things.

yeah <smile> I seen the cubefx vid, at least the trident one. thats what got me started on this contact bussness. hes too sick, like a few peaple round here I could mention...

N

I like that retro smile style can I do one like this <: )>

nix, but where can I get the baton video from, whats it called?

Cube FX has taken the old vids down, and has some new, but no stick.
ahh come on, the stuff he's doing aint that sick.
but its very solid < : ) >

Yesterday revistied with my stick:
Roll from hand to opposite foot via back of neck
2x only ever in a few attempts. but Its coming
probably only take me a year or 2 to get it solid

Glass
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happy beginner

Its just called 'baton twirling world campionships' or something like that, I dont know where youd find it, one for tennessa i recon.

yes, solid, and sick, horisontal shoulder catches, hummm.

Whats this move your onabout? horisontal or vertical? backhand round neck and onto foot or what?

Love

N

horizontal
slow
right hand just above head height, but infront
spin cw slowly roll down arm to neck
with about 1 turn,
then down back
and onto left leg turning body a bit
then down top of left leg.
to foot catch,
kick up

well thats the plan anyway
sometimes it works
Glass