Naming Staff Moves IV

I've always heard the behind the back one refered to as pinwheel.

But then again, I don't think I have ever done the one entirely infront.

hehe i guess we've proven that we all have our own naming systems!
personally, me likes to keep the windmill with *one* definition (ie it is more widely known as a poi move combination) and that the pinwheel defines the move described in the above posts. wether it's in front of the body or behind to is simply a pinwheel in front, or a pinwheel behind.
It definitely does not dovetail with everyone else's definition, but then again, the police did say that i was 'different'

Perhaps, this thread should be called More Naming Strife Moves IV

More apologies. I thought everyone called it a Windmill, and just so you know I’m not making this up. I got the Windmill from of Bec and Elke’s book, and the Pinwheel off Charles in an old post.

There is also a club-swinging move called a pinwheel (that would be suitable for poi) which is different again. If you are keen, there is a description somewhere in the Club Swinging Thread. Wot’s the poi one Bender?

not that i wanna mention too much poi on a staff thread, but the windmill is in the lessons section.
i love firestaffing!
i love firestaffing soo much!

thought u meant poi pinwheel. Will try at practice tonight

Ok, I know its universally better in the longrun not to have names for combos but seeing as though the pinwheel is just that and helps out somewhat, what would you guys call the basic rotor pass behind the back.

I have always heard it referred to as 'around the world' which I have found usefull for both learning and teaching, or...

...would you simply call this a low pinwheel (or half pinwheel) behind and a high pinwheel (or half pinwheel) infront?

Does a pinwheel have to complete one full cycle (back to the start) to be called that and does it have to be symetrical?

Charles - can you add fishtails to the list at the start yet and how about these extra ways of adding beats on to a basic 2 beat, they do add so much dimension to spinning.

Another one that I just remembered is what Josh spoke of as a shoulder roll. The hand keeps the staff in the normal grip but the shoulder 'rolls' to keep the staff moving. I hadn't even realised he was doing this and just presumed it was a thumb extension because of the central pivot point. I believe there is a short clip of him doing it in the 'morning coffee' vid coming in and out of a two beat weave?

Are all the staffers on holiday or what

yes :sleeping:

5 weeks I have to wait for an answer and that is all I get.

erm, cheers

<wanders off to scrape the greeen glitter crap Nix oozed on his glo staffs...

...and realises its got araldite qualities >

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"WAaaaaaaaggggggghh"

*Charles drags himself out of bed to change a diaper, then slumps back, vaguely aware of this computer shaped box in the corner than hasn't been truned on in a few days

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"Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghh"

-------<argh, BUGGER!!!!>--------

....and still ignores my questions.


anyone would think you have a new child to look after or something

tempest, i'd imagine one would need a body-position qualifier if that btb staff move were to be identified.
i.e. from what i know, horiztonal pinwheel while leaning foward would be the term I'd use, if that is of course what you is referring to.
I could be wrong tho, as 50% of pregnancy kits are....

100% of preganacy kits are wrong...they all show a nil result at the factory!

And yes please, a few more details on body position too.

Bender, have you got time to update the list with fishtails and some of the others, i'm not really meant to be on the site here at work

:stares vacantly:
wha-? me? this is your thread mate! i can't change the initial post!
Have you been testing out kits again? you know it'll lead onto the nasty stuff - like glass thermometers!

on a non-testkit note, hows about we establish a staff movement naming convention whereby if you are discussing a move that is not quite of the list that Charles has so comprehensively gathered at the list on this thread, then you should put a descriptive qualifier to the name of the move just to clarify the variation. Of course, if it is a new move, then it is a new move!
for example, if you palm both staves behind the back whilst leaning forward, a way to refer to it would be 'a forward leaning btb double palmspin.'
Obviously nobody's holding a gun to your head if isn't mentioned exactly the same every time, but i feel that so long as....
a - the minimum of qualifiers/descriptors is used in the name.
b - there is enough description in the name for the move variation not to be confused with any other.
...there will be world peace!
The Charles List© could be treated as a template of vanilla plain standard staff moves - if you refer exactly to that move, then fine, everybody is happy, and if your move is an enhancement/variation of it then yeah, clarifying the nature of the variation is a must methinks. If the move being discussed is an entirely new beast altogether, then let us further distract Mr Charles from his work and get him to add it to his Charles List©
happy fwirling and let's show those poi weirdos what real twirling is about!
:pretends that he doesn't twirl poi:

The move/transition that I tentativley called 'around the world' is the move you refer to Bender but I meant while keeping the staff in a rotor spin, not horizontal at all.

I was trying to establish if you guys would class this as a low pinwheel infront to low pinwheel btb or something different.

ok, now i'm lost, mate!
the staff is held in a rotor fashion and it's not horizontal? or is it a trick where the body is completely upright and the arms revolve the centre of staff's spin horizontally around the body?
I should not have been sniffing that CD texta tonight...
we have to meet one day dude, there'll be 10x moves transference that day!!

I have a move which I call the blade spin, It is pretty much the same as a palm spin except that it is done on the blade of your hand (side of the pinky finger). This can be done wherever you would do any palm spin and the only reason I do it this way is for a style choice.

Jez & Bender

Bender, Rotors have to be vertical, like the stablising rotor on the tail of a helicopter...

Jez...that is cool! how are you holding your hand and wrist? do you have an open palm or a closed fist?

Lots more info please please please....

Bender, yup body is upright. Simple move/transition you will already do, double hand spin in front of you clockwise (wall plane), fig 8 forwards with right hand, continue and pass to left hand btb, bring the staff back round the front on your left side and back to the start in front of you. Symetrical move, thumb together infront and when you pass btb - 4 beats around the body I think

told ya you already did it

Yeah man, if you ever get over here, we gotta spin

if there is still confusion, i'll do you a small vid of it to email.

[ 12. July 2003, 00:30: Message edited by: TEMPEST ]

Its done with the palm open, usually done above the head with the hand on its side and spinning the staff on the side of your pinky.

Hope that helps you a bit more