Double-Staff throws (Both staffs thrown)

It is possible, just don't throw the staffs on either side of you, or if you do, move so that they are in front of you when they come down...

The only simultaneaous thrpow i can catch is holding both staffs in one hand, upswinging them in front of me, letting go and then moving to the side so i can catch them both with my palms facings down...

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Charles (AKA INFERNO)

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The secret to catching is throwing.

if both staffs are uniformly thrown then you dont have to watch thm both as they are both doing the same thing, make the catches simultainious and concentrate on your weak hand. thats about it for me.

Love

Also, Nix, if the staffs are in the air quite close to each other you can actually focuss on both of them and catch them in the same manner...

Hmm, this thread is getting hard to follow again, I'll see if I can start up another naming moves thread, my descriptions are getting sloppy again...

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Charles (AKA INFERNO)

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I find that if I slow the thrown staffs down slightly then they're easier to catch simultaineously. I acheive this in a number of ways. Chief amongst them being by wrapping them round a handy body part - such as my upper arms.

Does this make sense Charles or should I rephrase it?

ooo ooo, i have something that might be helpful, although really obvious...

:hopes it wasnt said before cause he quickly scanned most of the posts:

for me at least, my greatest problem is ineptitude of the left hand, it does not like catching, and the only way ive managed to attain a semblance of simultaneous throws is to sit there with just a staff in my left hand and just sit there and practice with that till it can do it well, then go for both at the same time...

oh, and a trick i really wanna learn that involves simultaneou throws is as follows...

start going in an alternate double rotor...

(one staff rotates in front of you while the other rotates behind)

when on is behind throw that one over your shoulder and catch it in front of you...

at the same time, throw the one in front of you over your shoulder and catch it behind you...

now that would be sick...

:prepares for many bruises on both sides of head:

[This message has been edited by Whiffle Squeek (edited 03 March 2002).]

Rephrase would be nice please Cantus...

Is it not easier just to throw them slower?

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Charles (AKA INFERNO)

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not been doing much simultaneous but have a few alternate throws to share...

try going btb (staffs going opposite to each other)to throw under the opposite arm and out in frotn, the timing seems to suit continuous throws...

also with both in the same direction throw one staff under the other, the best way i can describe it is similar to juggling chops, may be the most beautifully fluid move i have ever seen.....

a few more also but my descriptive powers are low....so if anyone will be at bjc2002 in a few weeks then some swapping?????

enjoy.

Unlike Mr Mushinkato I do not possess the ability to slow time. Therefore my staffs obey the laws of physics and fall at a normal speed.

If I need my hands to intercept them before they hit the ground (and I lose my audience) then I bounce them off a handy body part - such as my shoulders - to enable my hands time to get into catching position.

Make any more sense?

Blimmin 'eck , Cantus, you say that's making things easier.

A simultaneaous throw of two staffs, and then bouncing or wraping them around your shoulders before ctaching them again?

Hmmm, maybe I'm just not thinking in the right way. I find it easier to throw 'lazy' throws, where the whole arm is straighter thasn usual, including the wrist, before the release, which means you can get the throw to take more time in the air and spinning less as well. that can give you a lot more time than you think to get under them.

But a wrap or a shoulder bounce? I guess I need to practice some trident moves...

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Charles (AKA INFERNO)

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http://juggle.co.nz/fire/fire.html

Yeah but you can juggle, Charles. I can't.

Yeah minero,

Looks like I will be there with a bunch of other spinners and my girlfriend.
Come find me - I have long dark hair and am tall and thin. probably the one with the glostaffs.

It would be good to brainstorm with more double staffers as I rarely seem to meet them (or they are too busy to spin like that fellow Cantus).

Liam Tempest

ok... bit of a strange one this, came to me as i was burning myself last night trying something else new....which is also quite nice so maybe i will start with that one then the one with throws....i guess i should have read the naming threads to find out what this is all called but i will try to make it clear...both hands doing what i think is called reverse rotor(?) with alternate timing, then when coming to the front each staff does a head roll to the same hand, looks a bit sloppy if you catch in front, but behind with extra wraps....wow. so...the hard version. as one staff does a head roll the other is thrown giving enough time to swap hands on the first one...then turn 180 and go the other way(or there are ways of getting back from forwads rotor to reverse without the 180 but then you are in extra combos...)
also i know i should be putting this on somewhere else but time=£ so.. if wraps are where the staff leaves your hand and travels round some bodypart with no hand contact...what is the staff equivalent of the poi waistwrap(weave all the ay round btb and to the other side, or the same with butterfly) called? ta

Tempest i will probably (possibly)be running the te POOKa stall at bjc and coming with 6 or 7 others, one from sale...so see you there

Tempest is also quite disturbingly handsome. He wouldn't mention that himself though (he may not have noticed it).

Easy one, which looks kinda nice...

you have both staffs close together (your hands basically touching) in front of you in different hands.

If you spin (using fingerspins) the one in the right clockwise and the one in the left anticlockwise, they sort of just miss each other, like, interlocking... it puts me in mind of the poi butterfly.

You can throw this and it keeps its shape really well, and looks like the staffs are sort of bouncing off each other (in the same way that the poi in the butterfly look like they are bounciong off each other).

Catching is simply a matter of keeping youe hands out in front of you and looking at the point where the staffs cross.

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I haven't really worked much on similtaneous throws ...I guess now I'll have to start. However, my all time favourite double staff move is an alternating throw ...I'm not sure if its already been described somewhere or not, but here goes.

In your right hand you're doing the backwards /reverse version of the figure eight (the most basic staff move), but at your side rather than infront of you. So as the staff comes infront of your body, it is the heel of the hand (not the thumb) that is leading. Roll your hand over, and flick the staff up into the air out of the heel of your hand - it should be spinning anticlockwise.

Meanwhile, back at the left hand side of the body... In your left hand you should be doing the figure eight normally at your side - so as the staff comes infront of your body your thumb should be leading. Once the right hand staff is thrown, pass the left hand staff behind your back to your right hand - just like the bottom part of the standard behind the back move ...the star/windmill. This leaves your left hand free to catch the staff that was thrown.

So both staffs are traveling the same anticlockwise circle. The staffs are always spinning in an anticlockwise direction (as seen from behind.) They go from
right hand to left hand infront of you as a throw
left hand to right hand behind your back as a hand to hand pass.

You need to start with one, and be prepared to drop it a hell of a lot when you first incorporate the second. Practice it in steps and it will come together nicely.

now I'm off to practice similtaneous throws ....

maeon.

yo,

thats one of my favs too meon, infact the first move I learnt with doubles.

I found from my experiments with simultainious throws that you can do them with forward or backward figure8's and if you go forward and put a shoulder roll in before the throw it gives a good release and also throws them at an angle to each other ( /\ ) so that they dont clash. otherwise its a caser of throwing one slightly forward of the other.

I HATE THE RAIN

sorry, just had to get that out.

Love
N

oh chalie,

it might be the gargantuan proportions of your staffs that make it so had to throw. I find the bigger the staff the farder anyway and the diffrence between the strength of the dominant arm can be more aparent if its heavy (stoping the 'simultainiosity' of the throws) so mabe have a little play with a couple of glowstaffs or sommit.

just a thought,

N

That's actually a good hint, Nix

Sometimes I forget that the majority of doublestaffers use much shorter staffs than my 1.4 metre ones.

However, it should simply make it harder, rather than impossible...

When I get around to buying two glowstaffs, I'll see if they can help me learn the technique so I can transfer it to my bigger ones.

Aside from that, how is everyone else's throws going???

mmmmmm fabulous, got some new throws and wraps, double throws only a few tho... kind of links into contact stuff this one - contact one staff on top pof the other so you are only holding one(nice way into it charles is to go from the double palm spins you mentioned in another thread, throw one up(must be same direction!!!) and land it on the other) then spin both above your head and throw... catching is just a cas of keeping your eyes on the centres....easier said than done, but a beautiful move....
enjoy
have to say hto just been getting smoother, not too much new throwing, but wraps, oooooohhhhhh....
axé
Mineiro

after complaining about it on another thread I got the butterfly throws today, ver nice vwer nice... <drool>

N