Helicopter staff moves (horizontal spins)...

I know that our staves are about 110cm but they are *way* to long for me - I am not that tall. And they are a little to long for Josh to do any inside work. We are thinking of cutting them down to about 100cm or maybe less.

I want some batton sized ones, because I got some cool moves in my head that I want to try with them. They are a tad on the cheerleader side mind you, but eh? You get that.

Got any suggestions of what a good size if for doubles?

Love and Light

Josh

Same rule works with ladders.

*always glad to help*

I think this is also the reason why I don't have a lot of helicopter moves, its just so much easier to do rotor stuff.

A fun one I did on Saturday night (which by the way, was one of my biggest busking takes, although I did busk for 4 hours and used 35 litres of kero!). oops getting sentences too long there, i'll start again

A fun one I did on Saturday night, very basic, was to do a clockwise helicopter fingerspin above my head and piroutte anticlockwise. it felt like i was going 10 times as fast as usual and i had to adjust the fingerspin constantly to keep it smooth (my way of saying I nearly dropped it a few times).

Looking up while you doing it with the staff spinning so fast made me dizzy, so i played on it, took a wobbly bow and fell over.

It sounds simple and boring but it was soooo much fun.

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Charles (INFERNO)

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35 litres in 4 hours!!!! what were you doing?!!

::imagines charles dancing in a wading pool filled with kero in a kevlar suit to a dumbstruck audience::

Josh

I can stretch things out to about 4-5 litres an hour during winter and making an effort but usually during summer 8-12 an hour is my average.

I guess i'm just not all that concervative (ha ha ha)...

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Charles (INFERNO)

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really basic but I just love piroetting with an alternating hele/weedwhacker. You can scoop right into it from a backwards figure eight rotor and when you want to stop you transfer the staff to the left and and let it swing out.

Another trick thats easy but fun is the leg ballance. Its good to do this comming out of a neckwrap as you kneed to hold the staff some way toward the pinky end. When you grab the other side with the neck wrap, hold onto it and either: twist under your arm and round the waist, or: snake it back over your head and then round the body (in both cases from the back to the front).

As the staff comes to the front of your waist place the middle on your thigh (you kneed to stand on one leg) and twist the body to keep the rotation before lifting off with the same hand.

Other than that theres the extra spin on the neckwrap, but thats glass's move and its on the Cool moves and transitions board.

Love
x

Cheers Nix...

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Charles (INFERNO)

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About this 4 beat corkscrew. I can get the extra turn at the bottom (weedwhaker stylee)but not another at the top, my thumb gets in the way. should I tuck it under or what?

Its all about sharing and learning. gift economy. s'cool.

x

As for your thumb getting in the way, can you do a thumb roll? That would be the simplest fix, I.E if it's getting in the way, use it!

I'll wait til I undertand a bit more before I continue my waffling though (mmm waffles...)

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Charles (INFERNO)

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its an inverted heli in front of the body.

ie your hands go down to it from above the staff which is spinning in front of your body. I think its a relatively important move for heli stuff.

Josh

I do a weedwhacker (although i don't like that word) then take it round my legs (CW if I'm doing it righthanded, CCW if left). When it's round the back, a flick of the wrist sends it through my legs to the front where I catch it with my other hand. On into a figure 8 (or whatever)

thumbspin? hummmmmmmmmmm

I can do it using a palm spin but how do you get it yound your thumb without it running off down your arm and hittin you inna head?

Nix?

lets say you start by coming out of a behind the neck pass (number 7 in [Josh]'s list above), spinning CW heli, so your taking the staff off your right shoulder with your left hand.(the middle is a few inches up from your thumb)
now start reaching, left hand goes out to the left, then round BEHIND THE BACK, so that it ends up at the right side of the body touching the side of your waist. Its done one full turn to get down there.
when it gets there, let the staff go with a bit of a push, so it wraps around your belly (don't be tubby). the middle of the staff will pass pretty close to your belly button.

meantime right hand has gone beind the back to the same position on the left side, ready for the catch. right hand mirrors the way the left had came in, to carry the staff with one turn out to the right, then the front.

{you got to have been a poi waistwrapper to come up with this baby, wasn't me, I just play it}

After, can go for another neck wrap, or above the head stuff.

remember keep it smooth, or as [josh] puts it efficiency of groovement. (that is a phat expression, nice one J)

christ I've got to get a digi cam before I decide to write another one of these.

lots of gloves
Glass

Warm up first...

Wish I had my staff here at work

So to clarify...This move is a bit like a partly thrown 'full nelson' pass (ala http://www.homeofpoi.com/xaeda/staff16.htm) around the waist?

Josh

SPINNING BODY HELPS ALOT
Helicoptering above your head can b made easier if you turn your body at the same time (running it through your fingers or hand over hand).. once practiced enuff if gets really really smooth and when you feel you're running out of momentum you spin your body in the other direction (but keep the stick spinning the same way) It feels awsomely smooth and keeps the stick goin really fast.

To pratice the above your head move without the risk of dropping it on your head, doing a horizontal near your feet (through fingers or hand over hand) Once that moves feels fluent you can drop it level withyour head on one side back to top then drop it to the other side- if you're spinning your body it will start to feel really good.

with two sticks doing double helicopter while running in a really small circle looks nuts (keep palms up the whole time and alternate between above and below your head)- this one might even work with 2 long staffs not sure) a freind can do this extremely fast with one staff, one hand ends up on the ground as the pivot point and it's a crazy blurr for the onlookers

Im trying to master the double horizontal throw and catch, i tell you it's alot harder than just one (and why is it horizontal throws are so scary to get under?!?!) any advice with this one?

Cheerz
Vik

doing spinning jumps with the staff aternating between over the head and below are really good fun

x