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yo josh,

errm, cross-flow is a really bad term, and any better would be of help. what I mean is that from the outside the staffs are spinning in opposite directions(in or out hence cross-flow) but from the staffers point of veiw the sticks are actually doing the same thing, ie forward or backward figure 8's either alternate sides of the body or the front and back at the same time, both cross-flow. Like I said, terrible term.

is there something like this in poi? (spode youd just call it butterfly or reverse or whatever, their much more used to thease things.)

The other thing Ive been trying on the doubles and only just remembered is the weave, with the sticks crossed at 90 degrees (like an x), I dont think Ive cracked getting a full weave but its sinning either side of the body. I guessed that the normal poi weave wouldent word as the pois follow each other and youd end up moving both stacks as one. Anyone else?

Love

NiX

LOL

opps, spelling....

that will teach me for trying to write posts at quarter to two in the morning. ;-)

X

(did some fire tonight, yumyumyum)

yeah I can do a weave with doubles...but I find it far less clunky if I use finger spins to delay the crossing over phases.

Josh

BTW Nix, what you describe in the last part of your long post...big circles in rvs cross flow (I know what you mean by that now) thats called a flourish in baton twirling. So really, that move is a double alternate direction rvs figure eight with flourish. I personally think it should have a combo name.

Its quite a common combo - and looks great.

works well with the fingerspin butterfly we were discussing earlier in this thread.

Josh

Oh for f.......

*goes to look up all the poi terms

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C@ntus

Sorry Cantus, but to describe how to do a 3-beat weave with doubles is a bit beyond my skills...go look at the 3-beat weave (poi) tutorial, and then imagine that each poi is a staff. I think its a technically difficult move (of the 4 or 5 decent doubles twirlers I've seen, I've not seen them do it). but with the finger spins it is significantly easier.

MAN! I'm HANGINGOUT for FIRE tonight! ARGH!

Josh

I still dont understand it. I cant figure out how that would work with staffs.

I'm a little shaky on how it works with balls on strings as well.

It's the move my friend (a 3 year veteran of Poi) did when I let her use one of my staffs. She tried to make me do it but i just got confused. She was spinning the staff like in that little picture and then she changed direction without missing a beat. She said it was "simple".
I just can't figure that out.

I've decided I'm scared of poi

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C@ntus

Great thread, but I'm having a bit of trouble wading through all the terminology. So, it's back to the the practic yard tonight

Don't sweat it Cantus you can learn the weave with sticks. As posted by Protozoa: http://www.calefaction.org/teach/weave.html

Another good link for tips on poi,weaves and crossovers etc is: http://www.geocities.com/firepoi/index_css.html

I think the thing i wanna get straight here is that when you wanna do the eweave with doubles you actually want them to form a cross right? not like with pois because they just look like one staff, as in the link above?

I have begun to get the begging of the weave like this today, but I can only make it work with reverse finger spinning, which I only learned last week so still not too confident.

I think the theory goes a little something like this (runns off and practices)

Whoooo hooo!!!!! crackeds it!

(note to self, the combination of playing and pizza produces a very greasy stick)

yeah, well...

lets take it from the right to the left forwards:

holding the sticks in a cross the right hand is above the left and comes down (thumb first) to the left hand side followed by the left stick. Here's the inportant bit, the right hand is on the outside, the furthest from you and performs a one finger backwards finger spin (a half turn) whilst the left hand comes over the right and down to the right. repeat the process, remember the arm that has come across is the furthest out and has one fingerspin, the other simply moves over and begins the next side.

is this what your onnabout?

do peaple know what I mean? seems to work.

ixn?

[This message has been edited by Nix? (edited 09 November 2001).]

yup, thats it, tottally nailed it today, forward and back, turning between is still a problem tho...

x?

*BUMP*

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(looks around for all of the things going "bump" can't see any...

It's not solid by any means, but I think I've finally got the technique for simultaneous palmspins with my 1.4 metre doubles.

To stop them either hitting each other or the lower one from hitting my arm, I have to do an 'egyptian' move, with my left arm poking out to my left and up (elb, with the upsidedown hand pointing right AND my right arm pointing to the right and up (elbow straight) also with the upsidedown palm pointing right.

***walk like an egyptian...***

This way there is just enough clearance for them to spin in the same plane without colliding. Only problem now is that my right arm is fully extended so if the spin travels to the right, it's almost impossible to correct it...

But I'm happy that at least there is one technique I know know of...

yo,

I been doin them too, feindishly difficult, my doubles are 120 so I can sorta spin them past my face (If I dont want any side burns, no pun intended).

Staff boards lightin up!

N

so i had a question about this thing further up...

quote:

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big circles in rvs cross flow (I know what you mean by that now) thats called a flourish in baton twirling. So really, that move is a double alternate direction rvs figure eight with flourish. I personally think it should have a combo name.

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yeah that. erm, what are you going on about? anyone want to take a crack at explaining it to me?

Hi,

This is my first entry, so please be gentle with any constructively critical replies. I'm from perth and thus twirling over here is pretty isolated.

I sorta skimmed through the double staff moves because I don't understand the lingo so if I'm describing a move that has already been explained please forgive me...also, I appologise if my own use of descriptive lingo is a bit different than what you are used to.

feet placed on a 45 degree andgle (left foot forward) will make this easier. start by doing a forwards figure 8 with both staff in front of your body (sorta a like a two beat weave if done with poi) the hands need to be close together, the lead hand will always cross over the other on top. (for the sake of my description assume the lead hand is your right hand) when your right hand gets as far over to the left as it will go, throw the stick in the air. continue the figure 8 with your left hand. when your left hand's figure 8 gets as far over to the left as it will go, put your right hand behind your back and catch the stick that your right hand threw(i generally allow for a 540 degree spin before catching) you can then bring the your right hand into a reverse figure 8 on the opposite side of your body to the left hand's figure 8.

read thru that a couple of times before concluding it doe not make sense because I'm pretty sure it does.

a point of note to those learning to do crossover figure 8s with sticks moving in the same directon. with the forward figure 8 crossover the top hand always leads and with the reverse the bottom hand always leads.

have fun with the double staff throw.
if it is too hard all at once you may need to practice just doing the figure 8 with your right (or whichever)hand and the throw and subsequent catch with the same hand.

Kinetic

do i have to send a video to join the exclusive dbl corkscrew club?

you know when you have a single staff, doing half a double corkscrew, and the staff is below your head/face? you can then throw it by pulling your palm towards your face at the right point in the circle so as not to catch it in the jaw. then you stand up from bent over and catch it above as for a helicopter catch.

any ideas how to translate this extremely cool looking move into double staves? preferably without reconstructive surgery...

yep, but be warned its not pretty when wrong....you can either do it by contacting one staff on your body giving your brain enough time to assume you are just spinning one staff... or just go for it and catch either in hands or on top of staff no 2 in a cross(my personal favourite....!)

got lots of new stuff from glasto but need a new brain to translate all to words,.....
Rob

Hows the new brain going, Mineiro?

I'd love to figure out some of these moves but am having troubles translating...I know text isn't the best medium for this sort of thing although i think we can all figure it out a bit more...

still no sign of it....
but mail order i hear they only take a week or two
but we get our camera soon(love to awards for all for hefty grant giving...) so vids on the way