Butterfly air wraps

Ok so I watched Dantana's video, and now I'm stuck on air wraps. I have the hyperloop down (on the right side anyway... left is still eluding me), and I can do a standard airwrap in front of me from a windmill (Even almost got it behind my head now, yay!). But these butterfly ones are messin with me.

Namely, the one where you go from a butterfly into letting the chains hit on your right side (requiring a change in the plain of rotation to kinda horizontal), bring them up in front of you with the right hand on top, and then somehow (this being where I'm confused) bringing them apart. I can get to the part where my right hand is above my left, but my poi always get tangled as I try to bring them apart. I think it has something to do with that little shake / bounce that Dantana puts in right as he's pulling them apart, but I can't get my head around it... It feels like my right poi wants to come out, but the left one is too low to let it, so the right one just starts wrapping around the left chain again. Is that what that little bounce does? Put an extra push upward for the left poi to allow room for the right to pass underneith and unwrap?

If i remember the video right....the i think he cross the pois....let one ball go between his arm ......let the next ball go under both arms ( on the outside of both) and the release the chains with letting the third ball go between his arms .......
that should be a move anyway.....
if I'm right

ok... the left poi enters between my arms, then...both poi do a rotation above my hands and then bellow and finaly only the right poi pops up and goes between my arms to unwrap the hyperloop. that is wha the little bounce is for. There are actually two bounces. the first bounce is right when the chains cross, allowing one poi head to pass between my arms (and sending both poi all the way up). the second bonce is after they drop back down and it only brings one poi head up between my arms, and then it drops back down, thus unwraping the hyperloop. I hope that helps.

[ 02. July 2003, 17:27: Message edited by: DJ Dantana ]

BTW, this move is more of a corkscrew than a butterfly, although it does have characteristics of both.

Opps...think I have to download that video again
that was more than i thought

Sounds cool, where can i find the video?

frustration is my name

that video of dantana is one mysterious sequence of events. i cant get the butterfly airwrap or hyperloop at all. i use sock poi for practise and they just seem to wind more than they are supposed to.

and for the weave hyperloops he does, everytime i try it starts out right, and then the heads smack my hands and go apeshit.

i dont even want to try the windmill one or i'l lose an eye

The butterfly hyperloop is an optical illusion created to wreck my head. I've given up on this move becuase it's not possible

I haven't got any poi on me so this is, from memory, how I think I do butterfly hyperloops.

Butterfly Air Wrap- or whatever it's called
First a bit of practice:
Do a forward butterfly in front of you then move it to a butterfly buzzsaw on your left.
Then in series of single beats move from this buzzsaw to a butterfly and back to a buzzsaw on your right.
Then try this all around and in both directions 'cos it's a good move to learn and will set you up for the Butterfly Hyperloop. The rhythm of this move is very important.

Getting to the real thing -
Do the butterfly buzzsaw on left.
Spin the right hand poi on the outside of your hands.
As the right poi comes up move it's plane to cross inside your hands and across the path of the other poi.
As the right poi comes up it should cross chains with the left poi.
As both poi come up to the top of their circles tangled move to a forward tangled butterfly in front of you.
You need to keep your hands a consistent distance apart - sowhen the poi are in front of you your hands are a few inches apart horizontally.
Again as the poi come up again move to the butterfly buzzsaw on the right and they poi will untangle.

As with all the hard moves this might take a lot of practice to get. After you've got this try the other ways to do it and also try it completely in front of you with the poi going fomr butterfly to internal butterfly & crossing, back out, then untangle back in. Also try multiple beats in this move, so you tangle up twice.

Good luck

Oh, DeepSoulSheep - I might be weekending in Dublin in a month or so as I'm currently working in Belfast, so you could just wait until I teach it to you.

[ 03. September 2003, 20:37: Message edited by: Dõm ]

That's really clear thanks Dom, will give it a whirl later on. I've been trying it for a while now so I've a feeling I'm still going to have to wait for you to get down to show it too me

ok wheres the dantana vid section so I can get some of these vids.. I learn by seeing more so then readin and every other threadf is talking about this cool ass move in a dantana vid..


I wanna be that cool too...

OK, another funky air wrap I'm wvaguely orking on. Can't get this move at all consistent yet as I'm not really understanding the specifics to how it works.

Spin a forwad butterfly.
Bring both poi to rest on the opposite forearm so that the strings cross.
For anyone who doesn't know what I mean basicaly it's like a wrap, but you stop the poi so that the poi head is resting just over the curve of your arm. You can easily send the poi back into a circle by pulling it sharply, which will send it flying up from your arm.
When your poi are crossed in this position you're half way to a hyperloop,
So if both poi launched at the same time (or I think the one underneath goes fractionally first) they can air wrap and fly back into a butterfly.

Great idea but I think it'll be a while before I'm attempting that one.

this one hit me inna head.

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ouch!

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there, you see?


T

Rebump!

I found a nifty, interesting yet inconclusive little movement today. It involves bringing both poi directly after tangle (in buzzsaw) through the "inside" area between arm and thigh to in front of you. As I did this I swapped the hands around relative to each other (left where the right was and right where the left was), which I thought might untangle it but didn't. I could immediately swap them again using the same motion but couldn't get out of it. It definitely feels like there's something to be found in there though???

Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

Anyone know the way out of here!

yoyoyo....

its all cool, I am here, I understand. been messing around my theory for a while and this is just the time to spew it

Bear with me...

How buterfly hyperloops work.

in a weave hyperloop the tangle, or winding up of the hyperloop happens on either outside plane, which becomes the winding plane, with the other automatically becoming the unwinding plane. between the planes, in the inside or inverted plane the tangle is both winding and unwinding at the same time, and produces the orbital plane.

buterfly is exactly the same. but the planes work difrently.

In butterfly the inverted/inside plane on one side becomes the winding plane, the outer planes become the orbital planes and the opposite inverted plane is of course the unwinding plane.

this can be nicly demonstrated by tangling on you left inside, turning left into wall plane for a few beats then to the left again to untangle.

single beat wall plane airwraps work as stated above, i think, because first one then the other poi come inside to tangle and unwrap.

winding up. as with weave tangles, you can wind the tangle by crossing your arms. so in wallplane bf airwrap, crossing your hands in one direction will put the airwrap fully orbital, whilst the other direction will unwrap it. handy when crossing outside to ouside bf hyps.

humm, please error shoot this for me, i might stick a longer artical on pip later.

T

The winding and unwinding added to my understanding a bit.

Don't think you understand what I was asking though unless the paragraph starting "winding up. as with" addresses it. Cause it is to do with swapping hand position relative to one another in the same place but I don't quite get that paragraph.

Edit to avoid double post:

Ok I've sorted it and understand what I'm doing. I've not seen this posted before(could be wrong) so I'll try to explain it here.

It's like an inside version of butterfly airwrap and it's 2 beat/circle/whatever. It is easiest if you think of this in terms of twisting from wall plane as opposed to turning to the sides.

Tangle to one side in buzzsaw zone as usual, instead of bringing the tangle the front the way you normally do. If you say tangle to the left first immediately move to the front.

The right poi travels the usual path, but make sure your left poi passes through the "inside zone" between the arm and the body. This is a knacky kind of body pop to make space and has to be done quite quickly. As you do this you should be swapping the position of your left and right hands relative to each other. This is circle one.

Circle 2 is exactly the same movement on the other side. This time your right poi must pass through the "inside zone" and your left one pass outside your arms. Again your hands swap position relative to each other and it unwraps as if by magic.

Circle 2 is tricky if you keep getting horrible tangles and it doesn't untangle make sure your left poi is going to the right place. If it's headed toward the inside zone you're in trouble...that's what got me for a while anyway...

yea i think youre right nx, i did try to explain it in my post about tangles a while ago. im still working on keeping them continuosly winding and unwinding though. its so hard to stop them turning into mutant corkscrews.

deepsoul, yup, thats covered by winding up. the rest is just the in and outs of it

oli, yup.

T

I've been playing with this as well, using the inside plane, crossing my wrists and doing crossed-arm transitions between the outer and inner planes. You can go from forwards BF airwrap and exit from a reverse if you do it right... unfortunately I've not quite worked out how it works yet