Inversions, insides, atomics, oh my!

yeah, do a watermill, then invert entrances and exits between your arms, inverted inside, hey presto!

T

you can enter an inverted space from outside or inside.. but there is no inverted inside..

I have a question about atomics.. so seeing as arashi was talking about how an atom should be 45 to each axis.. does this mean that an atomice weave should go from and atom with the hands at 9:00 on the right side to and atom with hands at 3:00 on the left side,.. and consequently have the corkscrew-esque version be an atom with hands a the 6:00 to an atom with the hands at 12:00.. which makes inside atoms vs outside atoms a bit harder.. but the level of play that one could get morphing between them would be soo ... umm.. sheek..
EDIT:
Code:

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weave

X<- hands   to hands->X



inside weave

hands->X  to  X<- hands



cork

  X

  ^

  |

hands

to 

hands

  |

  v

  X





outside to inside

(front)

  X

  ^

  |

hands

to 

hands

  |

  v

  X

(Body)

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If the question is "How an atom should be 45 to each axis?"

I dont know what you meen. For me Atom have two planes 90° apart and one axis, Boxes have two planes 90° and two axis.
The text and diagram is correct.

richee-

say this is your axis
+

then this is your atom 45 to those axi
x

so rather than the poi parallel to the axes, the poi are off of the axis.. whihc creates more freedom to 'morph' between various atoms..

The plane of the poi in an atom is at 45 degrees to wall, wheel and floor planes.

Righ, so where is the problem?
:R

its not really a problem.. I just wanted to clarify certain hand positions.. becase a lot of the talk of the atoms in this thread refer to moving between atoms.. but dont refer to stuff like atomic weaves and such.. and I wanted to try and get some relations going.. because essentially you can morph between all of the atoms right there in front of you.. whihc has been pretty much the discussion thus far.. flowing between atoms like that is more dynamic were the atomic 'structure' if that makes sense becomes fluid and changing.. whereas stuff like the atomic weave and such in my diagrams create more of a static atomic structure that doesnt really change..

also.. I wasnt at uberpoi.. so I still havent seen any of this stuff and am pretty much workingout details as I go.. I'm just trying to make sure I'm staying on pretty much the same page as everyone else.. and am talking about things in a clear way..

edit: oh and my biggest thing was making sure that the weave should be with and x like that.. and not and horiztonal x (flat x)

I see Atoms and Boxes so far from clasic spinnig. Is close new way of 3D Spinnig Im interested in. It not so easy to determine, clarify 3D Staff in Parallel planar system, here comes 45°es helpfull.
Cause Boxes are X shaped(Answer to you is "Of course, that they can be "X non flat". ). Than it is like moving big ball around you.
Classic circles are like blank page, linear even you put'em into parallel planar system so still a bit 2D, boxes are 3D without differnece, that is why is harder to move.

I thought boxes were L shaped.. not X shaped... boxes are formed as the edges of the poi orbits come together..

Right,we can say boxes are L shaped.
But than how you differentiate Atom(X) with hands together as an Axis and Atoms(X) with Nexus, so something between Atom and Box? I think that is what you want to see with your Weave. How is it called? If it has no name we are responsible no name it .

I dont understand what you mean richee...


atom- X and the hands can be in any of the wedges.. regardless of how you stick your hands in thos wedges your hands are essentially in the butterfly position that defines atoms..

boxes are planes that intersect at the corners.. I was talking to matt about how useful 90 degree plane changes would be to keep hands together as you weave a box.. so you could go from front wall to right side to rear wall.. making a bent S at the corners.. kinda like a trinity but square.. haha..

but I'm not sure what an atom with a nexus means? or even what an atomic box would mean.. since the later are terms that clash and the former would be an atomic tangle of some variety.. right? could you please help me to see what you mean by these?

ok,

semantic confusion here, ages ago i talked of atoms as boxes, because they were easier to understand and manipulate with the planes not clashing. but matt (sherilicist, orhoweveryouspellit) calls changing planes by 90 degrees with each transition. but atoms seperated and atoms touching are essentially the same thing.

my atom weave (and there are lots of others) it slightly seperated but the planes interact, they are not fully seperated.

I have a lot of stuff to write about atoms now, but i need to wait till i get home and have three hours of computer time to spare.

one thing i will say rev is its not about morphing the atom around, its about morphing round the atom, and the planes staying in the same relative space. the effect subjectivly is the same.

give me two more years and ill have this down, maybe.

T

well I do plenty of atom weaving.. but its nothing like box weaving.. bow weaving is like reels unless you do both poi in the same plane and use 90 changes at the corners to make the box.. so apart dfrom the later I dont' see hwo box weaving can be called weaving..

atoms on the other hand have two featuers.. the beatuy of being bale to morph betwee atoms.. ebcause a different hand position is a different atomic structure.. it seems meaningless but its not the more atoms you morphbetween since a simple morph can go same direction to opposite and other craziness.. whihc is why I understand arashi's swanting to put atoms a 45 degree angles to each planes because it birngas all the variations together into one morphable atom structure.. now the atomic weaving and atomic morphing. to me are different slightly.. the morphing can take place right there in front of you and you can keep the same atomic planes and be moving your hands all over the place.. (ie morphing the atomic structure) but atomic weaving is when you move the atom around and as consequence change its structure.. (heres where the twisting and what not of the weave come in.. )

and I agree that there's a moving around the atom and morphing of the atom around.. but I guess I didnt make that point clear.. I do have problems with that.. but to me morphing the atom around is what happens when you atomic weave.. whereas morphing the atom is what happens when it sits right there..


this stuff is really a pain to talk about when you try and talk about something quite simple. I feel like a caveman trying to express the phrase 'the sky is blue.. ' though somehow I feel the caveman would have it easier..

I keep reading this thread and all i can say is "durrrr" (with dribbles) I can do a basic atom and thats it. Why I cant leave this thread alone I don't know, although I'm beginning to understand what ur all on about.

I know - it scares me too!

Mind you my inversions are coming on lovely

oh man.
does anyone have films of atoms...and all that other stuff?
all i actually understand what it is is isolation.
i nailed the buzzaw one(the ''easy'' one) just recently.

for me, an atom weave dosnt change its planes as you weave it, its just the logical concequence of of spinning a split time same direction atom, see the crane thread. the atom stays in the same place in space and you weave the two planes together.

T

wouldnt that be a thread the atom?

I have a vid clip of you.. your "first atomic weave" and it doesnt stay int he same place at all.. now maybe you've changed since then.. but when I talk atom weave I talk about going from a particualr atom at point A to its opposite at point B.. and itf A is in front of me.. its hard to get to B without using an inside or rear plane..

example..
Code:

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1    2
 body
3    4

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atom at 1.... right poi spinning CCW wallplane left poi spinning fwd wheel plane..
weave to 4 via either 1 or 2 typically.. but the point is really going 1->4->1.. so the poi hit their reflective plane and back in a manner consistent with the term weave..

hello lovelies, having fun? just saying hi, opening the windows for some fresh air...

yeah, the atom weave is considerably diffrent now, its in spklitime fora start, rather than cranes....

i guess your gonna have to wait for the new vid...

it dosnt go inside or use a rear plane tho.

T

p.s. hi arashi

nix... I follow how you can 'weave' with the atom right there in front of you.. but isnt that more like a ttn...

I'll guess I'll have to wait on a video..

Rev - I meen you are doing Atom in the front of you right. And than you move the center from your hands(Gradients) to make Box for example. I meen the state where your Atom is somewhere befor your Box, so there is small X close to Poi heads.

but once you take your hands out of the center... arent you applying some fundemental changes?

for example.. boxes.. work like reels and corssers.. any 'weaving' that gets done with boxes is just a weaving between different reel anc crosser positions.. the poi never really weave..

now atoms because they share a same center of spin can be woven because you can apply any of the techniques you know that involve twos centers coming together..

the place that you talk about depends on twhat you plane to do.. because on the one hand.. a)in order to make them do 'atomic' stuff, you'd have to exagerrate all your atomic motions.. and then it works like extensions...

on the other hand.. b) you can choose not to weave them.. at whihc point it becomes a cramped box...

neither a nor b are the same.. but start from the same point.. kinda like both butterfly weaves and butterfly reels can start from a butterfly.. ponder this.. is your example of the poi making te x by the poi heads, any different from spinning sideplanes like a trinity so that the poi make a small butterfly near the poi heads?

i just...dont get it.
could someone please fix a movie with it?

ints not infront of you rev, its outside you, your inside the atom and weaving, you could maybe call it a ttn, but it feels and works and looks like a weave.

T

I just want to take Atom and mix it with Box into something between. It like bad box or bad Atom . It Atom with two centers of spinning.

oh you can mix them freely.. kinda like combo that uses both weaves and reels... it would be a lot like what arashi calls spidering if I'm using that term correctly..

dont think so rev...