Inversions, insides, atomics, oh my!

edit; okay glass just smacked me in the head with the obvious notion that inverted means upside down as well as the definition i went by, in which inverted means; reversed, in a contrary direction. so i am considering changing my terminology, but i have edited this to make sense with the stuff in the trinity thread. i'm just warning you that i may change this post when i get the time to give a flying fart. anyway this will make sense for a little while til i can change things to confuse you again

first, the crossed arm inverted weaves, which add two beats to a odd number weave...
the counting on this is pretty tricky, since it comes out of a weave that already has beats. in general for beat counts i go by the # of beats on each side of the crossover, since that way you don't have to be symmetrical to have it make sense. but the crossover happens at the entrance into the inversion so i label the inverted weave by which weave position you came into it from. there's so many variations that this may make sense later.
first, try the 3 beat inverted weave, which is

3 beat weave, but the crossover goes between your arms instead of to the other side. your arms, you will notice, are crossed, so you have to do an split time isolation with both hands so the chains don't wrap your arms.

next try it out of the five beat, which makes a 5 beat inverted weave.

insides are like buzzsaws but are not between your arms, they are between your arms and your body. take a buzzsaw in front, and drop your hands to your sides. now the wicks come under your armpits, and the chains are inside your arms. you can take a bfly or a spider and inside them, so if you do a bfly in front, you bend forward and do it inbetween your arms and your tummy. do them in the side plane, too.
now if you take a buzzsaw, do it inside at your side, and the take it around your back, keeping the same buzzsaw plane direction the whole time, you have a BTB inside. now try that, with an inverted weave instead of a buzzsaw. ouch. wear a cup. or "box" if your british

I have edited this title and post and cut out all the "buzzsaw" terms. Hope this makes more sense now!

i like the isolated versions

yeah those look REALLY cool if you open the planes up, so there are four planes and not three. the smaller crossed planes being near your elbows.

absolutely wicked.

not sure i get the 7bt version yet though...
is it two extra beats 'inside' to sort out the wrist wrapping or are you avoiding wrist wrappage some way through that shoulder twisty method that i can't do?

again though, wicked post dude.

yeah, the last two beats after the five are between your arms, (doing the "no elbow 7" technique will make it a 9 with a buzzsaw weave for the last two.) to do the "buzz 7" you have to be able to isolate pretty well, with your hands all crooked, and you flip your hands around together since they're all tied up... it's tough to get them clean, one wick wants to catch up.

this is it's own thread because...
there are lots and lots of variations in here, it's a whole family. notice the similarities to the buzzsaw weaves and maxi plus? (what the heck is the real name for maxi? cause i've realised that it isn't hyperloop, hyperloop just means airwrap. so... anyways, these will take the maxi plus out of the realm of the mere 3 beat maxi plus and into the next, even more confusing but not much harder, world of multi beat maxis. they are tough, and largely unusable for performance, but great fun.

don't overlook inversions, they are a whole family too. vertical waistwrap inversion fountains anyone?

so do i get to coin the name for all the stuff i've shown you guys or what? everybody gets to name stuff except me!

You can also do these buzzsaw weave interupts BTB, they look cool I reckon. Katinca showed me that.

Josh

sorry what do you mean by "interups" do you mean interupts, like a stall with them BTB?
if so, yeah that would be cool with like a kick to get them going back between your arms in the front. like you don't already look like a pretxel, huh? so what do you call these, then?

and darnit i hope whatever you call them isn't
"hop official" yet, i wanna name something too!

These things are fun! Bloody difficult to teach, though. I think the trick to them (buzzsaw weaves) is to roll your hands over one another after the first poi has gone between the arms.
A nice inversion is from btb weave in the wall plane. When the poi are in front of the body, instead of bringing them straight behind you again, bring them between the arms and body.

J

Buzz saw interupt is what you described. Basically do a BTB weave, dropping a beat of buzzsaw next to your hip and under your armpit before crossing to the other side.

No official names from me mate, I'm nowhere near bleeding edge enough for that

Josh

Wow, thanks alot Arashi. I think it will take awhile 4 me to learn all these new variations btb and stuff. Wicked concepts though, i dig it. Please keep the ideas coming.

ok, I think I finaly have it visualized, now to try it with poi. you are using realy short poi right?

with my arms stretched as far out as possible they come to juuuuust under my armpits, they hit my face if i bend my arms just a hair. that's where i usually keep them for moves like this.

here is a bump.
and a dusting off.
and a (cos it's one arashi's threads and they seem to like it).

a variation i've been doing (actually since the weekend before this was originally posted) has now become dubbed the notcoleman5.

however, it was only this weekend that i actually bothered to learn the learnt the 3bt inverted weave and then the 5bt as described here.
until i did this, i had no real way of describing the move in relation to the ones listed here.

i can now confidently say that a notcoleman5 is a 3bt inverted weave with two extra ouside beats

discussed elsewhere on the board since i thought i would link to it here:
link 1
link 2

wow.. there it is.. what I've been doing.. but this is way back when I could barely do the 5bt and was learning the 5bt btb... omg... I love hop.. everythings here its just hard to find...

ok.. so check this out.. that's what I'm doing in a nutshell...

reading over the underarm thing has just inspired me to even more craziness.. I'm gonna go play now and see what I can find..

I now beleive we need to found Poi-ville... and move a bunch of us there... and see what we cna then come up with..

edit: oh and by the way... I feel like such a poon not remembering this thread..makes me wonder hwo many other things I overlooked when I sucked more at poi then Ido right now..

well, i've just been through all the threads on buzzsaw/inverted weaves and i think i can see where the confusion has arisen.

it may be mostly my fault

arashi defines these moves by the type of crossover used - what i've been referring to as a 'barrel roll'.

when this was posted, i had just found a 5 bt weave with 1 beat inverted - the thing that was new to me was that this inverted beat goes around the crossed over arm.

i showed it to a few people and it was described by rob over here (never did find out why he called it a notcoleman5 ).

after a while i later realised this is not what arashi was describing at all as it doesn't have the barrel roll thing in it.

so i simplified it so that it only had 3bts in total.

a 3bt weave where each arm spins 'over, under through' - very much like a 3bt weave, but with no circles by the right arm on the right hand side and vice versa.

this seemed more fundamental to me than the weaves with the full barrel roll and the fact that buzzsaw weaves are defined by the fact that they have that crossover (and this move doesn't), it made it very confusing to count.

now arashi has pointed out that the barrel roll can have infinite beats i can see why he doesn't want to count them but this move only has half a barrel roll (and not even that because the buzzsaw beat is not a transfer from one side to another) i have no idea how to define the move i describe above.

i don't know if you can call it a 2bt buzzsaw weave because it has no barrel roll but there are 2 beats outside and there are 3bts in it in total...

any ideas on how to define this move anyone?

i'll rename it for ya if you want cloenam.

can i stop you using 'barrel roll' as a term? cause its a body movement term, for a spinning jump; very commonly used.

ta.

hugs
R

no changes required dude - was just wondering

fair enough comment on 'barrel roll' though.
i can't do barrel rolls with my body unless you give me a single engine plane and lots of altitude, but thats a different thing again...

so, any suggestions on how we can say 'crossed arm isolation' more easily?

hmm, now i've typed it, it seems simple enough as it is

w00t! thanks for that description above I can now do the notcoleman5.
For the 'barrel roll' I think crossed arm buzzsaw isolation would be better but it's not 'simpler'.

Oooh! what about the speed bags used in boxing? They can produce the same motion...