Inversions, insides, atomics, oh my!

oh crap! just wait til you try the cranes... i'm eager to see how many can do that first one...
"one bite on this to(ngue) and the baron will be no more"
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"remember the to-(ngue)"

seriously, once you practice #1 atom that outside's an easy transition.

or you could try tackling them all in your natural (2nd) atom. if you did you'd probably figure all this out for yourself, for now i'm just taking an atom and moving my hands around... your first outside would be the 3bt atom, corresponding to the #1 atom's 3bt inside atom which i stopped short of... hey if you do that, would you code it up for us? otherwise start with the ones i posted.

if anyone is trying this and has questions now is the best time cause i won't have lots of time (again) really soon...

Just to check are we talking same- or split-time for all of this?

same. well both really, but the basic crane transitions, split time, in an atom... without threading you'd have to thru wrap, right? i don't have my poi with me...

Ok that's what I thought

so, is this indecipherable or what? i see lots of people reading this thread but no responses for almost 2 weeks!! is it too hard or too easy? or did arguing with rev scare everybody off

broken fingers are stopping me try any of this stuff at the moment...

--ben

OMG that is my worst nightmare.
worse even than this F#*KING MUSCLE i keep pulling in my hip... (limps back to the kitchen)
so sorry!

I've been trying to understand this thread for longer than I care to admit, in retrospect, what I should have done is jumped in my car and driven down to Texas. With me it's the learning from reading text, I'll cast my vote with too hard

you know it's okay to ask questions
did the vid of the three beat inversion not help?

I'm still trying to find out if I understand.. so I can't ask anyquestions.. because I understand something, pretty sure its this.. who knows.. but I've been to busy with school, and my new poi project that I kinda slacked off..

i could've sworn YOU posted a vid of one somewhere!
*grumbles incoherently about short term memory loss*

Oh yes, that one. I guess it was an inverted atomic weave lol.

Doh!

Oh and I did a couple of better diagrams here for your type 1 and 2 atoms - blue is left hand poi, red is right hand poi. Although yes, the poi are still too long lol

Type #1
http://www.homeofpoi.com/gallery/display.php?image=/500/1989atom1.gif

Type #2
http://www.homeofpoi.com/gallery/display.php?image=/500/1989atom2.gif

Arashi. you mean the video on page 6? it kinda helped although I felt like i was watching a hyperloop tutorial, no laughing please, I'm hoping to link up with PoiBox II in the next few weeks. hopefully he can shed some light on this subject.

I can't seem to get past the buzzsaw weave, which to me feels like more like a short chain three beat weave with a couple of ( to swipe a term from spherculsim ) fakeys in it. The timing just feels strange

Ok.. I must just be missing something.. all my atoms work like butterflies.. and I get all the transitions your talking about without a problem.. and I'm afraid I still don't get the point.. I mean.. yeah I get that its an atom, but I'm trying to figure out how this is anydifferent from a butterfly stuff.. so either A) I'm child prodigy, or b) I'm hopeless.. I'm going with the latter..

That might be because these are all opposite direction atoms... If you start with a same direction normal move it turns into an atom with a "butterfly" characteristic and vice versa it seems to me.

every way I turn my atom ends up coming out butterfly like.. even when I turn straight from same direction -> atom -> butterfly -> other atom -> back.. it all comes through butterfly.. *shrug*

Left poi front wall plane CW, right poi right wheel plane CW. That's not very butterfly-like