The thru-wrap thread

Well, I've been meaning to get a definitive thru-wrap thread started. I know I had some questions about them a while back and I've been playing with them for the last few weeks and Dom had some words of wisdom about them. I'm not even sure how many of y'all do them.

For those not in the know:
A 'Thru-wrap' is not a 'recoil wrap' where the poi runs out of chain and smacks against you and reverses direction. It is a wrap where the poi ALMOST do that, then you pivot your body to unwrap the chains before they have a chance to do that.

So far I've got...

Forearm Weave Thru-wraps: Which enable crazy things like 9 beat weaves and such. You can either wrap on only one arm on both sides (giving an even beat count) or switch arms between each rotation (giving odd beat counts.)

Forearm Butterfly Thru-wraps: So wrap one arm while butterflying, turn 180 degrees and unwrap in reverse buttefly. I actually find reverse => forward much easier. Note: when I tangle in this one I REALLY tangle making it a bit sketchy to do with fire.

Forearm Corkscrew wraps: Seems very easy to wrap a wrist while in the bottom half of a corkscrew, then bring it above your head to unwrap.

Neck wraps: Bring your hand to your neck, wrap while leaning forward, lean your head back and unwrap.

I understand (but can't yet do) every variation of the above in every direction. Forward, backwards, left arm, right arm, etc...

Are there any I'm forgetting?

[Sorry, I don't have time to explain the moves to those who don't yet know it but perhaps I'll go back and give instructions for each. I just wanted to see if there were any genres that I was forgetting. I guess I could get some legs involved but that sounds a bit crazy and spaztic.... Hrmmm... ]

There are bicep and thigh through wraps where if you're doing a low wave/chase the sun type of move you can wrap around the limb then move the limb back so the poi comes off on the opposite side of your body...

interesting concepts, thanks

not sure if this one counts or what you'd call it, but someone (sorry, i forget who ) did it in COL3. its that double stall between the legs, one poi from the front and one from behind, but then he turned while they were stalling.
would this be a thru-stall then if you want to get technically-like?
think its sorta the same principle though.

The butterfly push thru mixes sweetly with waist-wrap butterflys.

BTB BTF Push-Thru Waist-Wrap ( ): from behind the back reverse butterfly, wrap the right poi on your left bicep , bring your left arm infront (the chain/rope from the right poi will slip down the left arm and recoil at your elbow) and recoil to waist-wrap forward butterfly.

I hope that makes sense. How easily the description of poi moves flows off the tongue

Nice thread

Wait, time out. Firemorph, a waist wrap isn't a thru-wrap. In fact, it isn't a wrap at all. I was informed that it just got that name from club twirling.

In a thru-wrap the chain actually wraps around the body part a full rotation as if you were going to handcuff one's self... then, by pivoting one's body the chain is unwound from the body part.

In a recoil wrap, the chain wraps all the way around, then hits the body part and exits in the other direction. For a list of THOSE kinds of wraps, see the lessons section.

It looks like I'll have to play a bit with some thigh thru-wraps. Messing up those could be painful... wish me luck.

i think firemorph was describing a push-thru wrap (albeit with a questionable use of the word 'recoil' to confuse us all ).

if this wasn't a push-thru wrap, the poi would end up in a weave waist wrap but like morph says, they end up in a fwd bf.

i think the waist wrap bit refers to where your arms are when the bf is in front - ie. the bf is in front of you but with your right arm btb (waist wrap style).

if you replace the word 'recoil' with 'pivot' in the original post, it all makes perfect sense.

Yea, i hope that is right, otherwise im totally confused. You can do wrist raps with/ or without "recoil".

Actually, wrist wraps are the oldest known traditional poi move, next to elbow wraps and forarm recoils (short poi).

I think this whole naming thing is going to far, i mean its 1 think to define a move but to keep adding names for variations only leads to more confusion. Its becoming a whole new language which soon will become ELITE. Causeing newbes to give up before they even learn 9bt btb rev weave wraps with recoil into maxi + hyp and tosted nose puppy.

Sorry off topic: back to thru wrps :-

[ 09. April 2003, 21:48: Message edited by: Raging Dragon ]

C'mon! I know I'm sure there are people out there pushing the envelope in the thru-wrap direction.

Glass?

Dom?

PK?

Where those UK boyz when you need them.

SOMEBODY'S got to be the thruwrap jedi... Cuz I certainly ain't.

So uh raging dragon what do you suggest? I don't see how any other form of communicating poi moves verbally runs less of a risk of becoming 'elite'. We can useo descriptive abreviatians and simple nomenclature which anyone can understand with a a crash course in poi terms or we can use names people make up as they invent moves. So instead of a nice reasonable package like "5bt BF weave" we have something like "Big ben and the 3 musketeers"

It's a lot harder to remember and communicate a name that barely or not at all describes the move.
Also if two people invent a move at the same time both names get used and it makes for huge confusion or fighting over which name is 'right'.

Or are you just agaisnt developing new moves and think we should stick to simple easily understandable moves so we don't scare off newbies?

[ 10. April 2003, 10:38: Message edited by: Astar ]

NYC skunk made a cool move that I think is a 5 beat weave and you finish the last beat under the leg (thigh) in a thru-wrap. Looks pretty slick.

I think with thru-wraps you need to be really graceful to do it anywheres lower then the thigh or it looks really bad.

leliel, the move you are talking about was also done by skunk.

I think NYC mentioned this, but just to be thurough, you can thru-wrap during a weave on the left arm right side or right arm right side, or visa versa,

and you can thru-wrap on the same poi hand (left poi left hand, left poi left arm, etc.)

Hmm... Skunk's my boy. I wouldn't call any of the stuff he does (even the stuff you haven't seen) wraps... He certainly doesn't go a full rotation and probably not even a half.

Still thinkin and playin'...

yes, but you can make most of those things he does wrap, it is just a matter of possition and timing. most of them are on the boarder of wraping anyways, with a little tweaking they could be a thru-wrap very easily.

It's a good side conversation guys... but back on topic:

Can I safely assume that no one here has any profound, new thru-wraps and I should just play with myself until I find my own?

Oh... and for leg wraps you need REALLY long chains to not recoil... Circumferance being 2*pi*r and all it needs much more chain than I normally spin with. Maybe ankles? Though that looks pretty spaztic...

BTB wrist thru-wraps: easiest in wall plane. If its your left arm that your stretching behind your back, wrap the right poi on your left wrist and turn about 90' anticlockwise, and it unwraps nicely...

Elbow thru-wrap: 5bt forwards, poi on your right, wrap the same beat as you would for your wrist, but just above elbow level... it travels right round you arm, does a quick beat, now turn 90' anticlockwise and it does another small circle on the other side before unwrapping.


--Ben

well, I DID get the forward butterfly double neck wrap, on tape, last night, that is a thru wrap that is very profound and not yet mentioned (on this thread) i'll put it up on the next tutorial video...

not yet mentioned...?

quote:

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Originally posted by NYC:
Neck wraps: Bring your hand to your neck, wrap while leaning forward, lean your head back and unwrap.

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have you tried it one handed yet dan...?

i tried a single neck wrap with a yo-yo on tuesday. guess what happened...?