The thru-wrap thread

Apologies 4 the recoil confusion folks A sweet move tho.

I've not tried it yet, but how's about a btf thro-wrap thro the legs > unwrap > re-wrap > 180 step-over so that you finish facing the the opposite direction. Ok, it's more of a combo.

I find butterfly thro-wraps work better by using a TTN movement for the arm the poi is wrapping on, allowing it to wrap along your arm.

@ Yo-Yo wrap!

hmmmmmm.... one handed butterfly double neck thru-wrap.....ok, I'll try it.... ...but are you going to help me pay for the hospital bill?

Seriousely, the double kneck wrap is SO hard to get right, it requires lots of skill and speed to get right, but a one handed variation shouldn't be that much harder...

All i mean is why not call thru wraps just wraps, and recoils just recoil wraps, or vice versa. Cause at the mo we have no WRAPS, just thru wraps, and recoil wraps. Dont u think thats making it MORE complicated than it needs to be???

Sorry again, back to wraps.

dragon - i think the fact that we add thru or recoil onto the front clears up any ambiguity.

usually when someone says just 'wrap', they usually mean recoil wrap - i guess because they're more common and there's hundreds more of them than there are thru wraps.

dan - just goes to show there are no hard or easy moves - it all just depends on the individual
bugger ever doing this with fire though!

Im going to try to be constructive here, and stick to THRU-wraps. I love them, they allow for endless possiblities, just depends on the length of string.

My new fav : btb turning weave but turn hands untill the poi are in front of you but your still doing btb(in front wall plane), and u wrap them up and then turn and un-wrap before it can recoil. Love it.

Also 9bt reverse corkscrew wraps are fun.
And btb weave wraps. I love them all. Even if they tangle, cause u can always hyploop out.

[ 12. April 2003, 12:12: Message edited by: Raging Dragon ]

Calf thru-wraps: Put your hand near your knee, with your calf sticking out so the poi can wrap it, then you kind of kick it off on the other side... not a very thorough description, i know.
They look quite weird, like an upsidedown figure 8 if you can keep the other poi at about waist level.

--Ben

ah NYC has not seen me practice lately apparently...

maybe next week i shall show you some leg thru wraps, currently also working on arm wraps and simultaneous use of both. by arm wraps i do not mean wrapping around one extended arm with the other poi (like you do in the rusty video NYC) but bending your arm at the elbow and wrapping the poi from the same hand around that bent arm and then turning to unwrap. so maybe we should distinguish between the 2 by calling those bad boys elbow wraps...those are much harder than thigh wraps because of the tapered shape you get when you bend your arm like such, the chain (at least my ball chain) wants to slip off instead of simply unwrap...

anyway, play with that NYC that is sure to keep you busy while my resprained knee (injured while having sex) heals...

maybe next week we can have another 2 days where the weather goes above 40 so we don't freeze our nutzelZ off. wtf is up with this goddam weather has it been this wacky everywhere? seriously i was not aware of New York's arctic climate until this year i thought it was supposed to be spring in april....

peax

skunk

i'm not quite sure what a thru wrap is but i think - i think that i kind of use it to do a seven beat weave

yeah as da Skunk points out, if you are looking for difficult thru wraps try the high wave (as opposed to low wave?) to double same arm thru wraps...a bit tricky, but there is a whole world of funky break beat poi in there

erm - you can also do the above move alternating, just wraping the front of body poi for the transition from front of bodyto back of body. it makes it easier to learn this way, rather than trying to contend with doing both at the same time.

Has anyone one got this double move happening with a reverse action on one hand and a forward action on the other (with clubs this would be called 'parallel' action)?

thru wraps also work on the lower leg (forward and backwards etc)...Its a rope dart technique.

Josh

I actually just tried that "same arm wrap" with a chain whip a bit ago. You need REALLY long chains to pull that off but that's the direction I'm looking in anyway if I want to keep playing with thru-wraps.

[Desperately trying not to "Be like Skunk" but thinking that perhaps just lengthening my chains might not quite make me yet another wannabe.]

Oh, and injuring your knee during sex over Passover? That CAN'T be kosher.

My chains are the length of my arms. You can do the same arm thru-wrap with chains no longer than that.

You just have to bring your hand all the way to your shoulder and wrap under your armpit.

hm, longer chains would allow for more variations to the same arm thru-wrap. If I don't have the wrist all the way to my shoulder it will most likely mess up.

another one (I think this is a thru-wrap). From a 5-beat weave. Wrap one poi once around your hand durring the 5-beat, then as it moves to the other side unwrap the wrapped poi while simultaniousely wrapping the other. I know similar things have been discused before as means to shorten/lengthen your poi mid-routine.


A bit of a tangent: From btb spin btl. As the poi comes infront of you pick up that leg (right poi, right leg and vice versa) and go to wrap the knee. Here you can either pull off a weak thru-wrap (still a little shakey on what exactly you are talking about with the leg thru-wraps) or bend your leg so that the back of your knee has hold of your poi chain. You can then let go of your poi and use your leg to bring it back btb where you then grab the handle.

Yeah - as Jaeden points out, you dont need mega length poi to do these moves, its more to do with the technique you use to wrap the arm.

Best of Luck NYC

Josh

All true indeed.

But with long chains you can do two and three rotations which are kinda fun.

Working on transferring moves from long to short and vice-versa.

personally i liked the idea of calling them 'european'(for thru wraps) and 'american' wraps... if only cause then you would have the 'european oxter wrap' and the 'american double crotch wrap'


if your poi are long enough you can do vast quantities of turns mid-thruwrap.

another idea i've been playing with is using the hand in the same way you use the other poi in hyperloops, cuttting accross the second poi at the desired length... makes for some funny circles(and incidentally seems to work best in quartertime making L-shapes....)

R

been investigating leg through wraps, got a couple...

forward poi on rith siade in the side plane, lift right leg and put poi through, move right leg across the front to left, legs are crossed, poi come out left side.

can be done backwards, just move leg behind to the left or start with it crossed and move it back.

looks and feels wicked, like it shouldent happen. great!


N

Hey, I don't have too much to contribute yet, as I'm not an expert and it seems like you have the normal stuff down, but I should be able to find some good stuff for you in a bit.

The thing is that I am a serious yo-yo player, and when you're doing a two-handed performance, it is impossible to do recoil wraps, as hitting the yo-yo on your body will kill the spin.

So, several players have become pretty amazing at "thru-wraps" (just called wraps for yo-yos). I'll see if I can find some videos with the most thru-wraps and post the links to them.

All the stuff with sleeping yo-yos should directly apply to poi (except the string being longer than most people have their poi). However, in some wraps, one yo-yo will be sleeping while the other is looping. Since a yo-yo doesn't just circle but actually retracts and extends during loops, it gives more possibilities. However, if you temporarily shortened one of the poi, you could probably pull off most of the same things.

One other trick I haven't actually seen anyone else doing with poi... this is neither a recoil or thru-wrap. In yo-yos it is called a burner, like elbow-burner or knee-burner. The easiest way of doing it would be to hav a poi going backward direction, stick out your elbow slightly so it starts to wrap around it. Then you release it before it starts wrapping multiple times and re-wrap it. If you do it correctly, it should make the poi do smaller than usual circles, pinwheeling with the elbow as its center.

Coleman, keep at it. I can do a neckwrap fine from a breakaway, and I've seen people do it with two yo-yos at once...

Shawn

hehehe... thru wrap hyperloops.....



edit: should expand really....

got a couple of these now after trying the leg one in brighton a couple of weeks ago... armpit one works beautifully... now trying the neck... hurts tho when its wrong... i think there is a same direction double neck one also but it has only come out once by accident...hmmm

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R

rob - are you doing the first bit of the wrap then tangling before carrying-thru to untangle and then unwrap (or am i completely off the ball here!)?

i worked out the 'cat's cradle' properly last night (suggested to me by jez and originally from the warped mind of a mr tony touch).
its the thru-wrap equivalent to a butterfly handcuff wrap and is gonna be mighty ticky to explain...

spin a fwd bf.
now turn the backs of you hands towards each other (still spinning the bf but with your little fingers uppermost rather than your thumbs).
hold your hands about 1/3 of your string length apart.

[thats all *before the wrap* ]

now the reason your hands are in this position is so that you can grab some string!
wrap each poi string around the opposite hand (the same way they normally wrap in a handcuff wrap) but instead of letting them do multiple wraps and recoiling you have to move fast after the first rotation:
as the strings comes into your hands, turn your hands back up the right way (rotate them so that thumbs go from bottom , to inside, to top).
the poi heads must pass inside your arms and back out to unwrap (carrying thru - never recoiling or stopping).

if you do it right you should get a nice little cats cradle just before you turn your hands inside to unwrap.

and if they tangle with each other on exit you may have to move quickly to avoid that worst of collisions.