Hyperloop - the basic 4-beat

bollocks drew.

you speak.


but i agree with the sanity thing.


beats are live and well. just not appropriate for the whole lexicon of poi.


none of your post-modernist crap in return please unless its very original... and proofing.

*hiss, scratch, hiss*

T :grumpy:

well he deserved it for snobbery


but i argue beats are very useful for teaching and describibg and so if you insist they are not then you deny all beginners one stlye of swining....esp if you leave them with the dreaded...'work it out for yourself, and it will come to you and mean more...'. massively unhelpful i feel.

apologies fr harshness there... realise post-post so won;t edit... but just to clarify for me/cole....

spin a three beat weave... hyperloop and it becomes a 5 beat.... 5-3=2. no?


at thread title.

R

rob - do you ever read a whole thread or just the last three posts...?

yes, there are only two *tangled* beats in a basic hyperloop.
but i'm not counting just the tangled beats.
i'm counting how many beats there are if you spin a 3 beat weave and then stick in a hyperloop on *one side*.
hyperloop on both sides gives 5bt total. hyp on one side then surely is 4bt total...?

as far as hop is concerned, the way beats are counted is:

quote:

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a beats in a move
a=total number of circles or swings before the pattern repeats

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am i still wrong...?

tell ya what, if you all still think i'm mad when you get back from denmark, i'll change the title of the thread to just 'hyperloop - count it yourself'

to all.
off now to juggle me some 2's

nyc goes with the whole "beats are usefull for teaching thing"
and he says
"100% of the chemistry I teach is a lie." (nyc 3rd august 11pm clapham)
and its kinda like that, a slightly useful teaching aid.
so what is this... beats are just like a high school chemistry lie we tell newbies because the truth would make their head spin.
no, its a bit like telling a piano student that everytime the metronome strikes, they must press a key.

who ever said that a Basic hyperloop should be in a cross follow (weave).

anyway monkeycustardheadrob and cheesypeascan'tcountcole for symmetry...to make it into a kind of fundamental move there should be a hyperloop on both sides so we seem to be up to 7L+7R circles with 2L+2R being airwrapped
now if I was doing this on the music it would take me about 12 beats cos the 4 airwrapped beats happen at double time. (i think, too early in the morning to take out poi.)

you lot are heading for a serious hugging in a minute.

hope that threw a pigeon in the works

till we meet again...in denmark
**hugs**
drew

Now I'm getting a bit confused. For some reason I was thinking about beats the same way I think about syllables. When learning syllables as a kid, I was taught to clap along with my words and each clap was a syllable. While teaching myself to spin, I end up muttering directions (over-under-out-tangle-untangle-under-out-tangle-untangle... hm, my over seems to be subsumed by my untangle), and each mutter is a beat. This tends to correspond with each time the poi in my dominant hand reaches the top of a circle.

i reckon, symmetrical is:
hyperloop right to left with right hand on top followed by hyperloop left to right with left hand on top.
without the use of a videocamera i think that totals five beats. i really don't care - it's a bit like trying to work out the siteswap of a trick you can already juggle - just for the nerds.

nerd huddle!

outcome:
a) i can't count.
b) beats counting sucks.
c) for this move it sucks extra big.

Hyperloop on the both sides symmetrically is 7 beats. Fact. Glass just did it. And I, the official HoP beat accountant, proclaim it is 7.

[3] + (1*2) + (2*1) = 7

Or did you not get that level of maths Cole? Or if you're counting in binary it's 111 beats. But it sure ain't 5.

You are wrong, Cole.

And everyone hates you. Oh no, wait, that's me.

Quote "Can anyone post a video of this move...."

er, sneaks in virtually un-noticed.
But... is this a hyperloop, as far as my chain of thought goes it is. But i as far as beats go?????? I have'nt got a clue, I'd call it a straight hyperloop on your right side.

Hyperloop attempt

The vid is still a bit dodgy, tried to slow it down for the poi crossing eachother.

nyc - are you sure that's not the old imperial beats you're using?
us euro-spinners use the metric system dontcha know - care for a royale with cheese sir?

7 it is then

okay, so back to the original debate, what is it if you only do it on one side...?
five!?
mot's video looks suspiciously like four to me boys...

tell ya what - go to denmark, spin it in front of jay and get him to count it for us.
i bet you end up with a total of something like 'get those f*cking things out of my face' beats.

wanna know what i learnt this weekend?
too much sun makes my face go puffy

Mot, id call that a 2bt rotation, only cause here we count the beats of the weave and also the rotation inside your arms seperately. That way u can define weather it came from a 5bt weave into a loop or whatever weave bt.

I cant really see how many rotations it did inside your arms though. Try keeping them between your arms as long as you can, its possible to get infinite rotations inside your arms (if u sort of isolate it). Is also possible to come out with the string still tangled and then go back in the other direction, although imo its real hard.

Mind u i only read the last 3 post's

Hiya,
er no beats go through the arms, just right side cross, move to the left side and uncross, basically as simple as you can do it. Is that a two beat hyperloop?

Cole, 5 if only on one side, yes.

[3] + 1*1 + 1*1 = 5

Which translates to about $7.65 American.

it sounds like a five beat on the wall plane

nyc and glass.
you both are in denmark and cannot defend your position.

johnny says i was right all along

hyperloop on one side out of 3bt weave equates to a 4bt weave.
moohaahaa counted it and is cleverer at that than you and he has the best fingers for such things.
its the same as the standard wrist curl, a 'poi onto wrist' wrap or wrapping the strings but right next to the handles - all of these moves have 4 beats if you just do them on the one side.
do it just on your right hand side and you'll see that the left poi leads over to the left hand side on all of these variations.

the tangle only lasts for one of the beats (each poi head passes the six o'clock position just once during the tangle).

its four.
show me a slowmo video and i'll count them with you.

and a fountain has 12 beats.
and a waistwrap has 4.

and this marks the end of my arguing about beats around here (check that pure breed hop end of debate statement ).

Coleman is right.
Because I said he was.
I am right.
Because he said I was.

Monkey love is wrong.
Leave it.

Coleman is right !

My 10 cents:

A 3 beat weave on both sides makes a 3 beat hyperloop. Video

"Half" a 5 beat weave makes a 4 beat hyperloop. Mots video (nice one btw )
Both sides combined would be 5 beat HL.

A 7 beat weave on both sides makes a 7 beat hyperloop. - Sorry no vid, but with the same hand leading like the 3 beat hyperloop only with
one extra twist of the hands . . .

... does it make sense to you

hi, just wanted 2 say that the instructions at the begining of this post are amazing!!!

i think i've got the basic idea on my rhs, although i dont really know what its ment to look like so cant really tell if i'm doing it right, to me it just seems like a 5bt weave thats got twisted but then untwists on the otherside..... i hope it is right though cos it took ages 2 not get tangled everytime!!!!

i've probably been teaching myself bad habits in every move i learn tho!!!!

anyhow thank you thank you thank you!!!!!
xxx