Hyperloop - the basic 4-beat

arashi- arms don't even have to be apart to start a hyper loop... I start plenty of them from a wrap position... I won't go into that right now...

jafar- 180 if you are asking as I meant it above, refers to either
a) tangling on the right and turning right 180
b) starting on the right and going throught the middle out left and then turn 180 and keep going through middle out the left side, or
c) starting on the right into middle, turn 180, exit left....

bluecat- I agree that multi-beat are easier by mving around... just let it enter and exit at different times to get different length hyperloops, which usually involves turning and such to continue momentum..

whoooops
"open foot insert mouth"
sorry, guess i's about a month behind... far be it from me to restart a count argument...
sorry i won't pop in like that again

You're not alone there soupy - sounds like I'm struggling with the same points. It doesn't feel quite right tangling vertically, and never seems to untangle. MAybe it's the kind of chain I'm using (it doesn't like to twist much at all)?

soupy - you can tangle horizontally or vertically, and with either hand high or low.

Coleman was just describing one type of tangle, which he considers the easiest (and i agree). If you find it easier to tangle horizontally, which lots of people do, then go for it.

Your hands should stay in the same alignment and move across your body like they're connected by invisible scaffolding. Don't rotate them at all.

make sure the poi don't do any beats inbetween your arms while moving them. The heads should move from the left of both arms to the right of both arms at the same time. Not past the left arm first, and then past the right arm.

Don't get demoralised. It's really tricky to start off with. Especially if you don't have anyone to watch doing it.

Also the poi that you use can make things much easier, or much more difficult. Like FiregeeKs noticed, ordinary chain is pretty tricky to tangle with. i highly recommend learning with fairly heavy balls (like juggling balls) inside long non-stretchy socks.

my final words of advice: go slow, and examine the tangles that don't untangle to find out why they didn't

Thank you Simian. I'm going to keep on trying! I've been using ballchain- maybe I'll try to use something different to see if that makes a difference.

Joy

ballchain should work fine
i think learning isolations helps, but Dom says i'm wrong, so i might be

Thanks for that simian - I'll have another try this evening after work *digs out his socks*

FG, I just discovered the "Hyperloops made easy. It's all in the poi" thread. Have you seen it? It recommends using sock poi to do this move. I'm gonna go out and make me some as soon as I get out of class. (Damn! Can I make it 2 hours? )

Joy

http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...part=1&vc=1

check out the tangle links too if you haven't already

*wanders off to post on the "it's all in the poi" thread...*

Simian, thank you for your help. After I stopped rotating the line like a complete retard, my problem was that I was allowing beats to occur between my hands, which is why they weren't untangling. My percentages have improved drastically knowing that that ain't supposed to happen

By the way, I must have been on crack when I read your message. I totally didn't see the part about the non-stretchy socks. Wish I had (before I went and bought some). I'm thinking of cutting up some polyester pants and making my own "stocking-type" things cause these stretchy socks were the only ones I could find!

Another question I have (for anyone). I've seen people doing what look like pinwheel hyperloops between their arms. Are these actually buzzsaw loops or is there such a thing as a pinwheel hyperloop? I've seen some people do many many many between their arm but the buzzsaw description talks about allowing only one beat before turning to let it untangle. Does this imply that what I'm seeing is actually an air wrap? (I did a search on "inner hyperloops"... Is there another name for them?)
Joy

the names are all messed up.

inner hyperloop is the same as tangled buzzsaw

airwrap is used to mean, well pretty much anyone wants it to mean

i call the ones inside your arms pinwheel style 'airwraps' but generally avoid doing so on this board for reasons of confusion...

They're exactly the same as the hyperloop you've learnt, but horizontal rather than vertical, and instead of the poi going from one side of your arms and body to the other side, they simply go from one side of your arms to the other, staying in front of the body.

its easiest to tangle nearish the heads, and to do so at a slight angle, so both poi are pointing a little bit away from you. Then when they tangle, pull them in towards you, and they'll untangle nicely. Well, they should...

You can do them from inside your arms to outside too, but i find that quite a bit trickier.

*delayed reaction* Thank you Simian. Terminology had me confused for a while but I think I've sorted that out. I'll give this a try

There's allways that little h-loop right down at the end by the heads.

It resolves itself - no need for any crossing over of sides.

Lets break it down.

Doing the windmill (weave/cross-n-follow in the wall plane) do a separation.
If i'm spinning clockwise, I seperate the left hand poi towards my left shoulder and the right hand poi towards my right hip.
If I were to draw a line from my left to right hand it would be diagonal across my body.

A separation is where you separate your hands on one side of the weave so your hands are no longer going around eachother, and put enough distance between them so you can swing the poi in circles on the same plane without crossing them.

With your poi in this configuration let them cross very close to the heads and keep the string tight. They will do one revolution about the nexus (point of tangle) and unwrap.

I usually place the nexus about 3/4 - 4/5 of the way down the string. The closer to the centre you get the slower the loop about the nexus and the more chance you have of it not self untangling.

When you get on this plane try applying to all other planes, horizontal and vertical.
And then try linking them.

Slán go foil!
Colm

(That's Irish btw)

Mr Bluecat and I discovered that you can use that airwrap right up by the poi heads to change to butterly with a wee bit of a tug

Airwraps are what London poiple generally call those simple stationary wallplane tangles.

IMO they're a little harder to learn than the simple hloop Cole describes.

Blackass: been doing similar if you could expand somewhere like here it'd be appreciated

yep

that used to be an airwrap that did.
i call it a 'static airwrap' now or just 'airwrap' still cos it was the first one i learnt

there's also the whole point about them tangling in the outside plane and untangling in the inside plane on the same side (between arms and body), or they can go from inside to outside on the same side, or even from one outside plane to the opposite outside plane (which would be the 'hyperloop' described at the start of this thread).

and its for exactly that reason that i consider all of those tangles to be analogous to each other.
so nowdays, i call all of these airwraps, but that is just personal preference.

usually unwrap more consistently if the poi are on planes that are a very slight 'v' shape.
but don't tell anyone i told you to do that to your planes...

i knew it was someone's fault my planes are rubbish now