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#122854 - 05/09/04 08:18 PM Re: wraps fire? [Re: Cmaiden890]
snap dragon Offline
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Registered: 01/09/04
Loc: Denton, tx
Play with fire, get burned...... umm who would of thunk it????
burns are burns I do bare skin wraps Over 3.000 shows this year alone... body still looks damn good.

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#122855 - 07/09/04 03:06 AM Re: wraps fire? [Re: snap dragon]
Stout Offline
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Registered: 12/05/04
Loc: Victoria,Canada
I do hand wraps, and bicep wraps in short sleeves, and I gotta say, in the hundreds of times I've done these, I've never really burned myself. Sure theres been a few "sore" spots, but they usually heal the next day, but accidents do happen ( luckily I havn't had one, yet) so I recommend caution when trying these 'cause there is always the possibility of the chains tangling around your limbs. Always have a spotter with a wet towel standing by.

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#122856 - 08/09/04 11:38 AM Re: wraps fire? [Re: Stout]
fNi Offline
Carpal \'Tunnel

Registered: 08/03/04
Loc: New York
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Sometimes when i'm spinning and realized my sleeves are up, i slide'em down and just wait till my arms are covered so i can wrap...i find it extremely satisfying when theres an audience and you wrap, and it shocks them
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#122857 - 09/09/04 01:20 AM Re: wraps fire? [Re: snap dragon]
vanize Offline
Lord Ballchain

Registered: 21/08/01
Loc: Austin, Texas
Written by: snap dragon


Play with get burned...... umm who would of thunk it????
burns are burns I do bare skin wraps Over 3.000 shows this year alone... body still looks damn good.




you do like 12 shows a day every day??? no wonder your bod looks good - that's a lot of excersize!

anyway - I do wraps on bare skin with fire all the time.

I uused to get burned a lot, but the combination of my increasing skill with wraps and (probably more significantly) the fact that my skin has adapted to the conditions mean that I rarely get burned anymore. In fact, i am quite certain I can be exposed to heat and fire for severl times as long as I used to be before getting burned - at least in the areas regularly exposed - hands and arms for sure. Or maybe it is more that I have a MUCH better idea of what kind of heat exposure does what kind of damage and I no longer have a snap adreniline reaction when exposed to intense heat, giving me more control and a better sense of time?

anyway the only area that I get burned a lot anymore is the tender skin on the inside of my arms just below the armpits. And I tink that happens to be mostly from the way the poi bounces there - must catch more metal than when I wrap around my forearms because my forearms get a lot more wraps which certainly stay in contact with the skin 2 or 3 times as long (same for my legs) and I very rarely get burns there except for the very superficial kind that don't bother me or leave a mark for longer than a couple days. but the tender skin of the uper inner arm is definitely much easier to burn with lots less heat exposure than tougher areas regardless. also, I haven't been doing wraps that involve this area for more than about 9 months, and I think it took other areas of my body longer than that to adapt - like a year or so. I have noticed the burns I do get in the armpit region are less than they were 6 months ago though - again that may be due to increasing skill with these wraps. still thinking about making some leather protectors for my upper arm though.

even the more serious burns I do get don't really bother me anymore. I baby them anyway just to be sure they don't scar. keep 'em moist and protected for a week so the dead skin doesn't peel off and 6 months later you won't ever be able to tell there was a bad burn there.

ok, that was a longwinded way of saying that, yes, you will get burned, sometimes pretty bad, but that it will cease to bother you so much after a while and you body will adapt to it to a degree. of course you should always take precautions against injury, but also you'll get used to it and find that you can eventually push things father and get hurt less. I know a traditional style hawaiian fire performer who keeps large flames in contact with his body for extended amounts of time and he never gets burned even though I am quite sure I would have blisters from the same exposure. I'm sure his skin is probably ageing faster because of this, but then again, it probably retains more moisture on a day to day basis, so maybe not...

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#122858 - 09/09/04 03:35 PM Re: wraps fire? [Re: vanize]
jaero Offline
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Registered: 06/06/04
Loc: over the river, through the wo...
ummm.... I wear a t-shirt... I try to wrap around the tiny little sleeves on it, but sometimes I just wrap around skin. I guess I'm just a half breed. anyways, I was swinging at the garden of eden festival and I ran out of kerosene, so this other fire swinger that was in the area offered me some white gas. I figured "sure, why not" and I proceded to swing. I didn't realize that white gas will spash and burn. as kerosene will not burn if it does infact splash. anyways, my first leg wrap I did proved to be dangerous. if you're gonna do fire wraps, be smart about your fuel over being smart about your long sleeves. a small metal burn is a small, superficial surface wound that will hurt for a little while then be gone. now if you catch your leg on fire.... that might be a little more serious. take care and be careful and don't burn down the forest.
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#122859 - 09/09/04 04:38 PM Re: wraps fire? [Re: jaero]
Big Andy Offline
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Registered: 01/04/03
Loc: Dallas, Tx
I think it would be interesting to see what kind of fuel these various people are using who say they either get burned or don't get burned.


I haven't burned in ages, but when I used to burn I got very used to doing wraps and barely ever even singed hairs. I was using lamp oil at the time.


Then I had to use white gas one time, and got all these burns all over. Obviously because of higher burning temp. So I only do bareskin wraps with pure lamp oil. Even mixtures seem to be a little high temp for wraps for me.... But i'm a big wussy.
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#122860 - 09/09/04 09:47 PM Re: wraps fire? [Re: Big Andy]
little nick Offline
newbie

Registered: 09/09/04
I use paraffin when i burn and the only times it hurts when i do wraps are when the metal bolts or the chains hit me because they are so hot.
I think the whole point of swinging fire is the danger feeling that you get as you know that if you make a mistake you will get burnt.
A simple theory: if you drive a car long enough eventually you will crash - if you swing fire poi long enough you will get burnt!!

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#122861 - 10/09/04 01:01 AM Re: wraps fire? [Re: Big Andy]
vanize Offline
Lord Ballchain

Registered: 21/08/01
Loc: Austin, Texas
white gas splatters will continue to burn sometimes. this is why it is very important to have a safety when using white gas. however, you actually have a bit of time before you get burned as as the white gas burns, there is a degree of evaporative cooling going on, and you have a couple of seconds for the flames to be put out before anything more significant than a minor sunburn-like effect occures. when using white gas, I save all the wraps for the second half of the spin so there isn't enough fuel left for splatters.

truthfully, I get burned more with parrafin than white gas - the longer burn time heats up the metal more I think. or maybe it is because I know the parafin won't burn when it splatters and I do wraps when the flames are bigger and hotter at the beginning? those two arguments aren't really compatable, but just guesses.

that isn't to say the worst burns I have seen were from parrafin - just that I get more from it. I think the worst I have seen were from white gas and lack of a safety.

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#122862 - 10/09/04 03:36 AM Re: wraps fire? [Re: vanize]
Stout Offline
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Registered: 12/05/04
Loc: Victoria,Canada
Fuel?? I used to spin straight kerosene but got tired of choking on the fumes so I switched to straight white gas for a while and I haven't noticed a difference in temperature. I'm kind of anal about spinning off the excess fuel before lighting up because I've seen lots of burning fuel flung off fire toys that weren't properly spun off and I usually don't attempt any wraps until I've been spinning for at least two minutes.

So far, so good

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#122863 - 10/09/04 04:34 AM Re: wraps fire? [Re: Stout]
MiG Offline
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Registered: 16/04/04
Loc: Bogged at CG
ive had a couple of little sunburny type burns, and once i had a weirdish blister, but that was after 6 burns that night. you could say the hardware was a little warm.

kero/paraffin doesnt seem to burn hot enough to do serious damage if the heads hit you. its all ive used, never had any serious problems. didnt spin off enough one night, did a leg wrap, and got some in my eye once though. that hurt like nothing ive ever had in my eye before. did the rest of the spin with my eyes closed.
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#122864 - 19/09/04 02:26 PM Re: wraps fire? [Re: MiG]
Face_NL Offline
Leader 'Warriors of Light'

Registered: 07/09/02
Loc: Netherlands - Breda
Anyone experience with Citronella Oil?? I thought it was just the same as lampoil, only with a disgusting smell, but my fire eat routine...
I do trails without leaving trails, and with normal lampoil that is no problem for me, but when I did it with Citronella oil (couldn't find something better) I got burned Immediately, very, very fast, without metal exposed, only cotton...
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#122865 - 19/09/04 02:28 PM Re: wraps fire? [Re: Face_NL]
Face_NL Offline
Leader 'Warriors of Light'

Registered: 07/09/02
Loc: Netherlands - Breda
ow ps about the first Pumpkin Post
Please do not try to protect yourself with vaseline, it will only make burns more likely because it will absorb the heat, so your skin stays in longer contact with the heat.... <and people will think you're doing a 'trick' when they see you rub your arms with something, and it is a little bit more than a trick right?!
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#122866 - 19/09/04 02:57 PM Re: wraps fire? [Re: Face_NL]
onewheeldave Offline
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Registered: 28/08/02
Loc: sheffield
Here's a recent thread on burns and wraps-

http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
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#122867 - 20/09/04 10:58 AM Re: wraps fire? [Re: onewheeldave]
nearly_all_gone Offline
I am a blue spiral

Registered: 03/08/04
Loc: Southampton
White spirit = burns eventually, especially during extended sessions. Parrafin/kerosene all the way!
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#122868 - 21/09/04 12:22 AM Re: wraps fire? [Re: nearly_all_gone]
Facelessjoker Offline
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Registered: 20/09/04
Loc: Exeter
Ive only just started doing warps with fire. Until now i havent been brave enough, i was still scared silly when i did it. I think im going to practice more with unlit wicks. hehe.
This thread is really helpful so fankees everyone

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#122869 - 26/09/04 02:03 PM Re: wraps fire? [Re: Facelessjoker]
Mags The Jedi Offline
King of Fools

Registered: 30/05/04
Loc: Cornwall, UK
I'm a skin. Although, recently it's got a bit nippier out, so I've started wearing more clothing. Don't like burning clothes though, and whilst I burnt myself quite a lot with my (now expired) Monkey Fists, it's only little scratches and burns. Nothing too serious. I did a weave-bicep wrap-TTN the other day with Bradfire's double 4"ers (on cable) and I have a lovely gouge on the back of my arm. Probably from the cable.

Oh yeah, and paraffin all the way. At £2.55 for 4 litres, how can you go wrong?
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#122870 - 28/09/04 06:47 AM Re: wraps fire? [Re: Mags The Jedi]
MiG Offline
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Registered: 16/04/04
Loc: Bogged at CG
i also find that dog chain works great for wraps. ball chain can get stuck on itself, and not release, and i''ve had wire try to do its best to cut my arm off when i pulled it to release.
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#122871 - 28/09/04 01:46 PM Re: wraps fire? [Re: MiG]
Zim Offline
Former Raver Invader... Not sure what i am now...

Registered: 28/09/04
Loc: Southern California, USA
i've used my friends ball chain fire poi and it's a little harder than the shoelaces and glowsticks i use at raves but i was able to get tech tricks off and wraps weren't really a problem either.

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#122872 - 02/03/06 10:10 AM Re: wraps fire? [Re: little nick]
2012 Offline
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Registered: 19/02/06
ive got sick wraps you must see but before that when doing wraps in your rouitines wear long sleaves. the chains get hot and cause burns not mistakes.when i first started my wraps i burt my arms like 50 times in one set due to the tricks i preform. so wherever the chains are gonna wrap make sure skin is covered

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#122873 - 08/03/06 03:04 PM Re: wraps fire? [Re: jaero]
infinite Offline
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Registered: 09/11/04
Loc: ashland OR
I wear long sleeve shirts, but I do a lot of cantact, where poi is in one hand the other poi is wrapping around the same forearm 2- or three times. I get tons of burns from every exposed part of my skin on my arms. Thru wraps, bounce wraps and general catching and tracing will all burn the crap out of you if you do not have your skin covered, and dont even try a wrap or bouncewrap untill a min or two into spin, the kero will soak into fabric on teh bounce. If you are scared of burns you could always become the stall master and be able to do 90% of the wraps with no contact just stalls.

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