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#109103 - 05/11/03 09:21 AM year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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i'm just curious...

is there anyone here, besides me, waiting with anxciety for the maya prophecy to encounter mankind?

let love light all your lives up!

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#109104 - 05/11/03 09:25 AM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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I might be......

....depending on what the maya prophecy might be!!

forgive my ignorance!

[peace]
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#109105 - 05/11/03 09:34 AM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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Now that I have used the wealth of information that is sat in front of me (the internet) for something other than posting on HoP, I have a vague idea what the prophecy is and will be awaiting 2012 to see what happens!!

*hurries off to make a 'to do list'*

[Eek!]
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#109106 - 05/11/03 09:39 AM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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quote:
Originally posted by birdsanctuary:
I might be......

....depending on what the maya prophecy might be!!

forgive my ignorance!

[peace]

i'm not the best of prophets or the best of reciting prophecys either...

but you can read here if you like to know what it's about.
i bet there are several web pages better than this one, but there always is [Wink]

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#109107 - 05/11/03 09:58 AM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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I would gather that you believe in this whole heartedly, and I do respect that, but my ignorance into this whole prophisy and Network 2012 makes me want to ask questions.

So if you will pardon my questions just for a few minutes.

I may have missed this, but what does Network 2012 have to do with the Mayan Prophecies?

The authors of the site said that there will be a new era (they also said that 2012 was a good target date), what if this new era doesnt happen? (Please dont get me wrong, I understand that it is just a target date and isnt perfect.)
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#109108 - 05/11/03 11:43 AM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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the mayan prophecies + "the age of aquarius" + "the new era" all seem to target the same year as far as i can see...

i don't wholeheartedly believe in all this.

i just think it's very interesting how that many different cultures on different locations on the planet all said something big about 2012

i've gotta find some better webpages now, didn't read the one i linked more than a couple of lines, seemed to me it was more than it maybe was... sorry 'bout that

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#109109 - 05/11/03 11:47 AM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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Dont worry about the website, it happens. [Smile]
Im sorry about thinking you believed in this wholheartedly, and you're right it is interesting that these differnt cultures find 2012 to be an important year.
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#109110 - 05/11/03 11:53 AM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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#109111 - 05/11/03 01:23 PM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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I read somewhere that Indian astrology had something cataclysmic to say about 2012 too, but i can't remember what exactly.. might check it up. either way, seems a pretty popular year for apocalyptic changes. maybe they'll all cancel each other out?

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#109112 - 05/11/03 01:50 PM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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praise the mayans for thier seperiority!
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#109113 - 05/11/03 02:55 PM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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Look me up in 2011. I'll gladly take bets.

[Wink]
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#109114 - 05/11/03 03:19 PM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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I think it's pretty damn interesting how the mayan calendar, sophisticated for it's time, basis of the gregorian calendar, stops, on the year 2012. Not like they quit counting, it just ends. Mayans and Incans aren't the only religions to tell of this 'shift' that's supposed to happen, alot of pagan legends mention it as well. I still haven't made up my mind about Cayce, but according to him, Arizona will be prime beach front property by the yr 2013.

*shrugs*
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#109115 - 05/11/03 03:30 PM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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new year's 2011/2012 is gonna be awesome [Smile]

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#109116 - 05/11/03 05:31 PM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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i have read of it, but theres probably other things that will be occupying my mind over the next 9 years. [Big Grin]
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#109117 - 05/11/03 09:58 PM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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Let's all swap over to the Muslim calender which runs about 600 years behind the Gregorian one, hey, problem posponed.

You'll find some sort of doom and gloom thing for every single years since dot. Live for today.
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#109118 - 06/11/03 08:27 PM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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i dont have the time to read all of that link.....but i will take a guess that its all about the polar reversing.....

i think i will be kinda cool! so yeah, i suppose im looking forward to it in a way....but considering its pretty much iminent death....maybe not so much! but not like there is anything we can do about it! lol!

and if ur not talking about what im talking about....oops! lol!
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#109119 - 06/11/03 10:22 PM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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Erm, don't have much time this morning but read this on the n2012 site:

quote:
According to many ancient indigenous traditions, we came to the end of a 26,000 year cosmic cycle in l987. In the year 2012 we begin a new 26,000 year cycle. We are now in an intense 25 year transition period comparable to a birthing - the birthing of a new era.
This and a few other passages says to me that if you wait until 2012 you'll have missed the time of change and the opportunity to make that change. Seems 2012 itself will be quiet and uneventful compared to now.

And:
quote:
...coming to the end of two major cycles - a 2,000 year long age of Pisces and the 25,000 year long cosmic year in its journey around Alcyon, the central sun of the milky way galaxy.
But scientific estimates tell us it takes about 220 million years for our solar system to orbit the galaxy.

There's been so many prophecies, so many different religions and philosophies and this is just another one. The message of them all is basically the same, but clouded with tales. The message is very simple, and as the greatest phrophets of all time told us, the one true message is: "Be excellent to each other."

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#109120 - 06/11/03 10:35 PM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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so basically were all scuppered.
great


anyone wanna go spin?...
after the looting of course
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#109121 - 06/11/03 10:40 PM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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quote:
Originally posted by Dyke Boy (formerly Lesbian Lover):
anyone wanna go spin?...
after the looting of course

Can't we do both at the same time? [Razz]

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#109122 - 07/11/03 02:41 AM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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the cyclic rollover will happen during a astronomical alignment....
...the next total solar eclipse psytrance party, in cairns of all places!!
yay who's for watching rainforests wriggling, melting and talking to a whole bunch of smelly hippies during this time of renewal?! [Smile] (this was hinted at in the forum for the outback eclipse held last yeer)
2012 here i come baby!
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#109123 - 07/11/03 02:53 AM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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Come 2011 I'm gonna be getting that really big bank loan! [Big Grin]

Party anyone? [Smile]

Or

see BoB homeless in 2013! [Frown]

We are due for a magnetic realignment, where the poles switch, soon. We've been due one for about 75years apparently!

I'm not sure how this would cause huge problems with the physical world (please correct me if you know different! [Smile] ), but anything running an electrical current will probably fry, as will any data stored on magentic media, cyber-space is going to be no more, but also my credit card bill, so it's not all bad! [Big Grin]

PsyB.

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#109124 - 07/11/03 03:02 AM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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Don't build up those bills just yet!

quote:
but anything running an electrical current will probably fry, as will any data stored on magentic media, cyber-space is going to be no more
Sorry, but whilst the poles have been known to 'switch' they do so on a geological time scale - where 75 years is not a very long time at all. The whole process would take years and ears.
As for everything frying - I take it the theory goes that a change would cause an induced electromagnetic current & associated EMP pulse. Sorry, this wouldn't happen [Frown]

We can still have a party tho! [Big Grin]

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#109125 - 07/11/03 03:23 AM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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I'm gonna disagree on that one, but in the nicest possible way... [Smile]

The poles wobble on a geological timescale, and every 50,000 years they switch completely, but the evidence presented by the striations of igneous and metamorphic rock along the Atlantic Ridge Fault line suggest the pole switch happens relatively instantly, a period of months, days or even hours have all been theorised. (geologically instant! [Wink] )

There is a variance in the alighnment of the magnetic particles in the rock of a few degree's. But it never goes beyone that, then every 50,000 years this switches, suddenly and drastically, and goes back to the same wobble for a few millenia!

The same effect can be observed at any spreading ridge fault, even the dead ones...

The last time I looked into this (A-levels so that was quite a while ago I will admit! [Wink] )there was no evidence that suggested a slow progression, the wobble became more marked towards a shift, but the shift itself was a dramatic event.

Dom, tell ya what.
We'll put a £5 each in the pot, come 2012 either it'll switch really quickly and I get the £10 or it's slowly started to move, and you can collect, sound good? [Big Grin]

PsyB.

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#109126 - 07/11/03 03:59 AM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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According to this its all about sun spots and stuff.

what with that and global warming, we should be able to get a killer tan (pun intended) in summer 2012! [Cool]
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#109127 - 07/11/03 07:35 AM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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Out of curiosity, who here was around 50,000 years ago (give or take) to see the poles switch?

I will take a shot in the dark but I dont think any of us here was alive more than 60 years ago. (there is always one elderly chap sitting in the corner [Razz] )

Science (if it existed) didnt even know of poles or sun spots, so how would some ancient religion know of these things, let alone predict their change?

When you think about it, most modern religions are less than 10,000 years old. Even at their birth science wasnt even developed enough to tell us weather the world was flat or round. Now you have somebody saying that an ancient religion had the ability to not only know what a poler switch was, but predict the next one?!?

Though out of curisoity (and since I dont know) what does a poler switch have to do with the Atlantic Ridge Fault?


Sorry but nobody alive today knows what happend 50,000 years ago and nobody (if any were) alive back then knew enough about science to prove anything.
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#109128 - 07/11/03 11:53 AM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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Science (if it existed) didnt even know of poles or sun spots, so how would some ancient religion know of these things, let alone predict their change?
sorry laytin but i fear you have been brainwashed by science into believing that mankind were a bunch of ignorant fools before scientific instruments came along. homo sapiens' predecessors had an intelligence very nearly matching our own, and we have been almost or just as intelligent as we are now for over 102,000 years. plus we had the aid of mysticism to do things which now are mostly scattered to the wind and considered "myth". mayans were so advanced in their astrophysics that modern scientists are still catching up on some respects. for instance they knew about EM waves that were emanating from the galactic center, it is a main component of the prophecy, and we JUST found this wave. they knew the earth was round, hell the ancient egyptians knew the sun was a sphere. you are measuring all of humanity against the pitiful consummate barbaric history of the west. it is very important to keep an open mind, and not to write off the lifeworks of a culture simply because they had no telescopes, especially the mayans, the original "neoscientists". perhaps you may learn a bit [Wink]
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#109129 - 08/11/03 12:00 AM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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#109130 - 08/11/03 12:43 AM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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I'll be the first to admit that we have lost a lot of knowledge and skills over the ages, some of these are periodically rediscovered but often lost again. [Confused]
The pole reversals of ancient history would have definitly been noticable by ancient humanity.

The Aurorea would have been absolutley amazing, [Big Grin] much more intense than anything seen in our recent history, and animals which would normally migrate in predictable fashion would be going a bit [Loco]

Whether this knowledge would have been passed down through the ages is however a little bit [umm] doubtful?

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#109131 - 07/11/03 01:00 PM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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quote:
Originally posted by Laytin:
Out of curiosity, who here was around 50,000 years ago (give or take) to see the poles switch?

Though out of curisoity (and since I dont know) what does a poler switch have to do with the Atlantic Ridge Fault?

Sorry but nobody alive today knows what happend 50,000 years ago.

If you understood polar switches and Atlantic Ridge Fault you'd understand how scientists know what happened 50,000 years ago.

You don't, so you don't.

Just because you don't know how a cell phone works, doesn't mean it doesn't.
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#109132 - 07/11/03 03:02 PM Re: year 2 0 1 2 creeping nearer
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quote:
Just because you don't know how a cell phone works, doesn't mean it doesn't.

well i dont understand how my cell phone works, and it doesnt work....
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