Ninja_Dave
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Hey everyone! Haven't been on HOP in a while, how is everyone??? Was just curious if anyone had any ideas for three staff contact? couldn't find a thread on HOP anywhere bout it? soz if there is. When i say three staff contact i mean a move based on all three staffs performing a "contact" move. In other words, 3 single staffs doing a contact move each, in succession if necessary to create one big PHAT move? any ideas? got some on the cards at the mo that I am working on, just wanted to see if anyone else is trying the same sort of thing. If that's you, where r u? AND MOVE TO BRISTOL! until we meet again y'all x 
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Ninja_Dave
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08/02/08 04:45 AM
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o and i want the moves to try and keep all three staffs to one plane plz!
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How about a Lucero with dual fishtails? 
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Irinus
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09/02/08 03:33 AM
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I think there's capacity within a continuous normal steve (or continuous half-steve as it's also known) for three sticks, though I think that it's one of those tricks that's easy to think of and almost impossible to execute!
Also, in the realm of the impossible (no, REALLY impossible) is:
(the two hands can be swapped over)
Two sticks in right hand, on in left.
Angel roll from right hand
As angel roll reaches elbow of left arm, release a vertical steve from the left hand.
As vertical steve reaches right elbow, release angel roll from right hand.
Continue
I'd like to see someone do the first few steps with two sticks, to be honest, I'd pay to see that!
Of course, the next step would be to do that with the non-angelling/steveing stick in dual fishies which would, of course, allow one to stop mid angel/steve and get into Dave's lucero 
I think the above go on the 'tricks I'd like to be able to do in 10 years' list providing that they're actually theoretically possible!
p.s. (feeling inspired by this thread... how about dual fishtails... on a third staff!? think about it  )
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09/02/08 03:44 AM
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nah, unfortunately i think even a two staff steve 'shower' isn't possible. Cos of the way you have to raise and lower your arms to do the steve, the first steve blocks the second from working. Plus as soon as you want to pass the staff from hand to another above your head, raising your arms block both halfs of the steve.
Thou that's only really the case if you have to raise your arms. You could train it so that you don't. Thou it would be best to use short staffs so you don't hit yourself in the face. But then your doing a very hard steve with short staffs, which isn't going to be particularly easy.
A way I think would be possible for 3 or more staffs, though also very hard, would be to do a minimal steve shower. You wouldn't have to particularly move your arms a lot, cos the staff will never get trapped by them, obviously thou, you would have to do the entire thing mostly blind, since you will be looking down most of the time.
Plus I think sandy made it clear that a two staff full steve shower is possible, if difficult.
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09/02/08 06:09 AM
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Nice thanx meg! yeh couldn't get the beginning of the steve to work in it, looks a bit lopsided at first but it evens out a bit once you've practice, , hmmm have to have a think how to explain this... right, ummm ok to start with obv all staffs spinning in one direction, one on neck one in each hand, Keep to a horizontal plane. Right hand puts the staff into a neck roll as the staff on your neck does the end of an exteneded steve to your right arm putting you basically into your starting position, and once the staff that is now on your neck does a 360 on the back of your neck there comes a point where you can place the left staff onto your neck at a parrellel to the neck staff coming off, (the staff coming off needs to be grabbed by your left hand) and another 360 on neck place right staff, 360 on neck place left staff etc etc... , u can mix up which side you do it with and works much the same way you would contact hats in a vertical plane, your head has to come up to: 1. - see where the staff on the parrellel comin in is on both sides.& 2. - to keep control of the stick on your neck. Does that make any sense? think i'll have to go draw some pics, god i need a video camera argh¬!!! lol, any luck anywayz??
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09/02/08 06:15 AM
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Written by: mcp
A way I think would be possible for 3 or more staffs, though also very hard, would be to do a minimal steve shower.
wouldnt the staffs take each other out?
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Ninja_Dave
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09/02/08 06:15 AM
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Ah irinus sounds a lot like what u were describing! a continuous half steve it can be mixed up a bit tho, for the left hand i tend to take the staff of a neck roll into a 180 hwere the centre point is now level with the end of the shoulder ( in horizontal btw) and then isolate it into a 360 onto my neck again....? is there a vid of a "lucero" online anywhere?
nice crazy ideas! liking them, im off to play!
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09/02/08 06:20 AM
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Written by: Irinus
Also, in the realm of the impossible (no, REALLY impossible) is:
(the two hands can be swapped over)
Two sticks in right hand, on in left.
Angel roll from right hand
As angel roll reaches elbow of left arm, release a vertical steve from the left hand.
As vertical steve reaches right elbow, release angel roll from right hand.
Continue
T
That sounds crazy!
(btw do i know you irinus?)
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09/02/08 08:20 AM
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how about conveyor? instead of a turn at the end you could pop staff over the head halo style could be a bit crowded though but I'm pretty sure that can be done with 2 I tried a bit last summer.
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10/02/08 03:44 AM
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There are luceros in this video from inspinerate (halo - turn - halo - turn):
http://inspinerate.com/video/tutorials/april%2007/cont%20neck%20wrap%20lucero%20jesus.mov
... and I think Neon does them in the Australian part of the the collaborative contact vid.
Thanks Meg for 'doing the math.' I agree that the minimal steve would be the more likely way to do the shower but I didn't know the name of the trick to say it before  I guess it would be cool if someone (like your good self) could make up three sticks connected at one end and separated by 120 degrees to see if the rolling is possible if the sticks are stuck together! I guess the fact that they'd have to be able to rotate around their long axis would make this a bit more difficult...
Oh, and I don't think we've ever met Dave though I'll be trying my hardest to make it to a Bristol convention this year 
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Written by: Ninja_Dave
o and i want the moves to try and keep all three staffs to one plane plz!
preferably
I can't think of any, but then again - what the §%& do I know...
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11/02/08 11:58 PM
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Written by: Irinus
Thanks Meg for 'doing the math.' I agree that the minimal steve would be the more likely way to do the shower but I didn't know the name of the trick to say it before I guess it would be cool if someone (like your good self) could make up three sticks connected at one end and separated by 120 degrees to see if the rolling is possible if the sticks are stuck together! I guess the fact that they'd have to be able to rotate around their long axis would make this a bit more difficult...
ZOMG! Just saw Trilobite by Jay Gilligan and I have to say, the three staff thing you describe and that he uses is an IMMENSE prop. I might have to make one...
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Possible to have a solid middle piece where all staffs connect to and possible to have the staffs rotating along their axis... If you check (Bender's?) "Spinferno" you find a regular three-section staff... the interesting part for what you have in mind is at the chain-ends of the staff (ball bearings). If three of these are welded together (at an 120 angle each) you will be able to fit 3 staff in them.
Some similar firetoys have been around a couple of years ago (lost the link), where ppl were welding three 30cm staff to a ring, inside the ring has been a ball bearing and you could spin the whole thing around your finger - appears to be a bit of a "fake-toy", but still nice to look at and not so easy to work with.
As to "three staff contact move" I will consult the local Guru and ask what he comes up with...
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12/02/08 03:44 AM
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PS: Meg - you got the whole DVD? On the teaser there is nothing remotely like that...
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Yeah I have the whole DVD, but must say, only like two good parts on it. The rest is pretty dire, unless you love ugly technical club juggling more than I do.
The thing jay uses is like a nunchuck, except it has three 'ends' and each of them is maybe 1.4m long... Awesome possibilities...
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... like the one on Spinferno? Most likely we're not talking about the same Jay, but I agree: awesome possibilities *stops hijacking*
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no, it's not a three section. All the ends are attached to the same place. Like a o ring with three short chains coming off it, each attached to a long pole. Nothing like a three section.
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15/02/08 04:47 PM
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bring some protection lol
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yo yo homeboy
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So, how is it going ?
Some new things ?
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Got some triple staff on staff contact last night, with a couple of throws and catches all from staff to staff, 1 staff contact and 1 in each hand. and old chazz was a hairs breath from a matrix with a staff in each hand
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