MikeIcon
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So it seems people have been getting into some crosser action as of late and Im no exception. However, just recently I started learning, what Ive come to call, double crossers.
The simplest crosser (the one Ive seen the most of) is the basic crossed arm reel. The principle behind that is that youre stuck in the middle of a 3 beat weave (ie you transitioned while your arms were in the midst of changing sides). Double crossers are the same thing except taken to the 5 beat level. The following moves are done with your arms twisted as if you were doing a 5 beat weave.
This is going to be a nightmare to explain but Ill do my best... Have mercy on me though 
BTB Waist Wrap Under the Legs Crosser - Ok, so take a 4 beat BTB waist wrap weave. Say youre spinning clockwise and youre on the right side of your body. At the point where your left poi crosses to the back side (your arms should be crossed), instead of letting the right poi follow to uncross your arms, put it under your right leg for a beat instead. Once it comes back out behind you you can continue to unwind your ams.
Impossible Crosser - Sorry, didnt know what else to call it. Its not impossible but damn hard. Start spinning a clockwise 5 beat weave in wall plane on the right side of your body. When your left hand is coming to the front, instead of your right hand following it, force it to cross behind your back to the left side so that your left arm is now waist wrapped in front of you under your right arm doing circles on the right side, while your right arm is crossed over your left hand waist wrapped behind your back doing circles on the left side.
So far there are really the only two Ive found... However, you can do these on any side, any direction, and in front or back. If anyone has any others to share please do.
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11/07/05 05:26 AM
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hit me up on aim and I'll share some stuff with you..
a few things to note though:
the impossible crosser , as you call it is an uta crosser.. (under the arm) you have the left arm in the armpit and the right arm btb.. you can lock those in same direction or butterfly (by entering from a ttn) and you can cross them across the front when done from btb.. there;'s a few vids of these around..
the impossible (crosser)- was a type of crossser that ditty does in the tt2 vid.. so I guess this is a second note on some terms..
double crossers- as I understood, has also been used.. and it refers to crossed crossers.. now the interpretation of that might be up for debate.. I don't know.. we can talk about that later..
not trying to be negative.. just fyi-ing some things to look into over terms and stuff..
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12/07/05 11:24 PM
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i have no idea what this thread is and i think you'll probably get rather mad at me for posting this, but i funkin hate it when people call the crossers, its such a horrible disgustingly shite name for a move, it makes anone who says it sound instantly strange or from another country
crosses sound alot better and would probably suit the move better, although theres probably another move stupidly named that
can we just call it something else from now on, or i will and i will slap anyone really hard in the face who still calls them the c word
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12/07/05 11:47 PM
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first, a link to help quell nate's fury...
the name crossers makes sense to me - its a reel done with a paused crossover.
start them in wheelplane and it makes loads of sense that they're called that.
rob called them 'hugs' a few times but a lot of poi spinners already do a move called hugs so it got confusing 
personally, i think of this set of moves as 'offset reels' which admittedly isn't very catchy but did give me the scope to think about doing vertical reels and vertical crossers (what rev called a 'uta crosser').
but since i really wanna find out exactly how hard you can slap, i'm going to call them crossers for the whole of the next week 
cole. x
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13/07/05 12:10 AM
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Written by: coleman
rob called them 'hugs' a few times but a lot of poi spinners already do a move called hugs so it got confusing
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but since i really wanna find out exactly how hard you can slap, i'm going to call them crossers for the whole of the next week
cole. x
that was why 'hugs' never caught on? what is this other move called a hug? much nicer, if less sensible than 'crossers'
absolutely no idea why this would make nate angry. i think he's just going through AYM phase.
and yes, i think i too will call them crossers for the week
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13/07/05 03:31 AM
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hugs are a version of a crosser.. where you have the right arm on the left side and the left on the right.. kinda like an SJ minus the inversion..
and crossers are just reels of a higher degree.. and some fun comes in how you mix and match parts.. you have uta (whihc is the nice little thing icon brought up.. ) where you lock one hand in the armpit of the other arm.. and the other arm can pretty much go to the cross side or utl .. and then you get to mix and match the up front vs btb..
and in some places you get double crossers.. like when utl from the front and the back ( a utl version of the huggy) and then go back over the leg with both of them (for a second huggy crosser) and other variations like that..
but yeah.. they are alll just reel patterns.. and to me the most fun is when you weave between the corssers.. or is moving between crossers a reel pattern too? how about this.. when you spider between crossers.. that's hella fun.. just flowing from one to the next..
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13/07/05 04:18 AM
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Oh, you mean "straight jackets"!
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13/07/05 02:01 PM
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a 4 beat BTB waist wrap weave.
What on earth is one of them? For now, I'm assuming that it's part of the same trend of adding 'waist wrap' to the names of things for the sake of it, without it actually involving a waist wrap.
Sorry, that's a pet hate of mine - please correct me if I've got it mixed up.
I really need to learn these crossers things I suppose, and just for Nate, I think we need crosser workshops everywhere at every possible event
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13/07/05 07:17 PM
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A waist wrap is when one arm is crossed in front or in back of your body ie a wall plane weave. BTB waist wrap is a wall plane weave on the left or right side of your body with one arm crossed behind your back. A 4 beat one would naturally have 4 beats.
[EDIT] And thanks, Bov. You inadvertantly inspired me to learn the 5 beat. Its extremely sloppy right now but I didnt really think it was too possible before.
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13/07/05 08:30 PM
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It seems our definitions of a waist wrap are fairly different then, I'd just call that a BTB weave in wallplane.
For what I'd call a BTB waistwrap, the poi should be making 3 distinct wallplane circles, in this order, before starting back with the first one again.
This set would be for the left hand and the right hand should be following it...
- in front of you on the right with your arm crossed behind your back.
- behind your back.
- in front of you on the left.
Time for a new thread I think, to stop dragging this one off topic, I'll dig out a picture for that one, it might make it easier to understand what I'm trying to describe.
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13/07/05 10:58 PM
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Written by: Rev
hugs are a version of a crosser.. where you have the right arm on the left side and the left on the right.. kinda like an SJ minus the inversion..
and crossers are just reels of a higher degree..
so hugs is just a specific group of moves within a larger group called crossers? that makes sense, but if you mean there are some hugs that arnt crossers then im confused. - but this is just a name thing i think
and rev isnt describing a crosser as an sj minus the inversion like describing a 3 bt weave as and isolated 5bt weave minus the outside beats and unisolated?  
and rev... crossed crossers? (i geuss 5bt arm twist, right poi spinning on the right, left poi on the left....)
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13/07/05 11:46 PM
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Surely a crosser is a reel done with arms on the opposite side.
A SJ is a crosser with an inversion i.e. the arms are threaded through each other
And a hug is like a crosser, but both poi are in the same plane?
At least these are the definitions I've been using...
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ive not been using the word hug at all, im just trying to work out what hug means, but i geuss ill find out pretty soon, hopefully i get to meet you this time at the glade
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14/07/05 12:54 AM
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LOL, yes we should do that.
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MikeIcon
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14/07/05 03:11 AM
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I think Spiral has it right. Hugs would be like if you did a butterfly with both arms crossed BTB and both poi came to the front at the same time.
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14/07/05 04:03 AM
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huggy crossers are crossers that are just poi at the opposite sides.. where ar the gs.c people when you need them..
hugs.. yes they are crossers.. no they are not the same plane.. they merely cross to opposite sides.. why? because if you do that and hold (like crossers shoudl
) then the subtle motions you use to make the poi go from back to front plane (assuming your have clean planes..) is as waist wrapped as you would get if they were in the same plane.. if they spun in the same plane than you would have a waist wrap variant of a same direction bf or a opposite direction butterfly..
but seriously.. hug yourself so that your hands are at the other arms arm pit.. so that when you lean your wrist up your hands are next to your shoulders...you can flap your hands front and back just mvoing the wrists and nothing else... and spin opposite plane split time reels.. holding that position.. huggy crosser..
sj (crosser style) woud be the same thing only inverted in the middle.. and not as much fun as sj weaving imo..
and crossed crossers are double crossers.. get into a crosser position.. and then from there get into a second crossers (still maintaining the first)...
ex. rigth arm under the right leg (from the rigth)and back over the right leg (to the right).. left arm under the right leg from the left ad back over the right leg to the left.. its a crosser that is crossed..
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14/07/05 04:18 AM
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But what's a 'crossover fountain'?
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14/07/05 05:32 AM
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wouldnt that just be like a reel fountain.. I mean you could point the wrist down and it would be lia hip reel and point the wrist up and be like a shoulder reel..
oh that was a trick question wasnt it
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