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Salamander7
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Re: New To Poi? ASK ME ANYTHING!!! Find similar topicfind similar   new
     25/10/07 01:31 AM

Cheers for the advise imbalence, sure enough i've nailed the angel wings.

Still certain moves are fooling me over and over and its particularly the moves that involve the backward spin. My backward spinning is very weak compared to my forward.

The backward weave is a prime example

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PK_
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  new 25/10/07 03:30 AM

Practice practice practice...

the more you put in the more you get out, try focusing on your weak spots, try and see where those weak spots are.

Remember if the poi hit you, then you have one if not two problems.

Timing and positioning... which means you need to watch you hands to see where the problem lies... I came across this a lot at the weekend with people asking me how to do a reverse 5bt weave.

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Rellizate
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  new 25/10/07 08:38 AM

Is their dowel in tube core fire poi? Or is the wick just screwed into the hole drilled in the tubing?

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PK_
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  new 25/10/07 11:27 AM

 Written by: Rellizate


Is their dowel in tube core fire poi? Or is the wick just screwed into the hole drilled in the tubing?



It would all depend on what manufacturer they were from.

Off of the top of my head I don't know of any manufacturer using dowelling these days, As I have found in the past that with the consistent use of those types of fire poi, the dowel eventually dries out and disintegrates over time, one poi can do so at a different rate than the other there will be weight variation between your poi and can affect your spinning.
Also you would not want bits of burning wood flying about the place, as those hot particles could go in to some ones eyes, cause other kinds of damage to people and property.

Okay, I'd rate the monkey fist type, I like the balance and weight that they give, with the ball chain they swivel real nice too. You should get a longer burn time from them too, but with regards to self wick replacement is a lot harder unless you know how to make monkey fist knots. Attention to tangles with ball chain!, they can tangle and entwine more solidly than other types and if tangled around your arms or any other part of your body, you will need a quick safety person on hand to put them out so as you can untangle them safely and with out any unnecessary injury to yourself.

Core fire poi (the more common type), with the steel wire, are light in weight, depending on what size wick you have, your burn time will vary substancially.
Tangling the poi with the steel wire will release more easily. as for the fixings of the wick, You would have to contact Malcolm, Chris or George in the HoP shop for any queries on that.

The way that I make fire poi heads are different to normal.
I take the core (A stainless steel tube, preferably de-burred, polished or treated for longer lasting life) and drill a hole through one side and out of the other just a little way down from the top of the poi head. Through this I place a threaded bar around 4 or 6 mm in diameter, inside of the core placing 4 nuts, the outer two are to secure the threaded bar in place (the wick doubles the security here later), and the central two nuts secure a heavy duty swivel to attach the chain to.
Affixing the wick here will double up the security in holding the threaded bar in place, and the wick itself being held in place with two bolts and nuts making the fastening more secure and with out any need for dowelling or other attachment, the bolts used here should be 4mm thick to avoid too much weight discrepancy.

All fire poi should be checked appropriately before and after any use to make sure that fixings are secure, and that the wick is in good condition and will not fall apart during use.

*note there are so many bad fire poi products available on the net, built with out any inkling of safety or ease of use to the end user, I know I have purchased such products, I was given some last year, I didn't even dare spin them I took them straight in to the garage and took them apart and rebuilt them safely.. I never got to burn them in as they were stolen along with the rest of my equipment but that's another story.

Please any one wanting to play with fire toys and have any queries, please ask here for any advice we may be able to offer.

Safety is a must for yourself and for others around you and importantly for the environment.
so I shall now present you with some useful links to great sources of information that has been gathered and presented to us over the years.

Fire Safety Video By Pele & Malcolm.

Take the fire safety test?

First Aid for Burns.

MSDS for fuels.

What type of fuels?

Clothing for fire spinning?

Put out fires safely and efficiently.

Other Articles of Interest.

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In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."

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Rellizate
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  new 25/10/07 11:00 PM

Wow, that was a long answer. Thanks! I have been spinning fire staff, nunchucks and poi for over a year now, but I've never bothered getting any tubecore poi, as they burn time is so bad. I just went stright to cathedrals. However, now I need to make lots of tubecores, and so I was thinking of the design. I have never seen a tubecore with a dowel, but it seems like a much safer design in all.
If you crushed and bent one end of the tube (see homeofpoi tubecores) I don't get how burning wood would fly out the bottom, cause there wouldn't be enough oxygen for it to burn. Or if their is enough oxygen for it to burn, how come it hasn't on my firestaves?

I get what you mean with your fire head, but you actually use bolts to hold it in, not screws?
Do you have a picture of this firehead you were describing?

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PK_
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  new 26/10/07 11:45 AM

I've had dowelling burn out in staves before now too.. depends on how much use they are going to get really. Plus immersing them in fuel is going to make the dowel soak in some fuel.

How can there not be oxygen getting to the dowelling?

I'll see if i have any photos... I dont think i do but i shall look.

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In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."

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Rellizate
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  new 26/10/07 12:05 PM

Well the oxygen is only on the end, so the thing can't actually burn. Just blacken abit.

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Stout
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  new 26/10/07 12:41 PM

Rellizate...I'd go with PKs design as dowelling inside tubecores isn't really necessary, especially if you're going to crimp and drill the top of the tube.

One thing I will advise AGAINST though, is using dowelling inside a tubecore and simply screwing an eye bolt into the dowelling as a means to attach the chains. I bought a set like this, once, and along with having to constantly check to make sure the eye bolt wasn't backing off ( yes it was glued, but heat= expansion and contraction of metal ) when I blew a move once ( 4 bt TTN ) the impact of the poi hitting together shattered the dowelling sending the poi head flying off.

Good thing they weren't lit at the time.

You say you need to make lots....if you're making these for other people I'd go as idiot proof as possible.


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Rellizate
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  new 26/10/07 01:13 PM

Hmm. It seems that dowelling makes them seem more professional...

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Stout
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  new 26/10/07 01:32 PM

Yes..they will definitely look more professional and finished.

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PK_
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  new 26/10/07 01:48 PM





No swivels on those though but they are the only photo's I can find right now.

I think that any poi will look professional as long as they are secure.. not just because they have dowelling in the middle.

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In giving love there is an equal grace.
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Stout
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  new 26/10/07 02:34 PM

Those look good and secure. You could even put a quicklink between the two inner bolts.

Less exposed hot flesh searing metal than the crimped top design too


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PK_
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  new 26/10/07 02:45 PM

Those ones were polished aluminium, were ultra light too, though Alu heats more than Steel so if it does get you.. then you might get a more nasty burn.

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In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."

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Rellizate
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  new 26/10/07 09:59 PM

Hmm that is a nice design. How did you secure the wicks on?

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PK_
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  new 26/10/07 10:06 PM

tape your wick in place, drill and secure them, it's your choice with fixings, screw or nuts and bolts!.

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In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."

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Rellizate
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  new 26/10/07 10:08 PM

How can you screw without a dowel? Or just screw it into the hole you drilled?

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PK_
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  new 26/10/07 10:32 PM

I don't see the point in the extra weight in using dowelling, when you can easily spend an extra few pence in nuts and bolts to make a much lighter and cleaner job.

But yes, you could use dowel to hold the screws in place.. if using the correct size screw slightly larger in diameter than the small pre drilled hole through your wick and tube, the screw will be held in place by the tube, and once your poi have been lit the metal core and screw will become snug together and should not come loose (but not forever), but then you should check all equipment prior to any use that would be your responsibility and not mine as I am in no way accountable for saying this is 100% how you should make poi.

You seem adamant in using dowel, if so use it, it's extra cost in your build but I'd look at that money being used to buy nice nuts and bolts.

Just my opinion.

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In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."

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jordanaaaaa
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  new 31/10/07 10:43 AM

hi! okay. so basically, i'm trying to go from forward to backwards weave and i'm having trouble going from backwards to forwards. any suggestions?



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PK_
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  new 31/10/07 12:45 PM

 Written by: jordanaaaaa


hi! okay. so basically, i'm trying to go from forward to backwards weave and i'm having trouble going from backwards to forwards. any suggestions?





Ok... simple way to look at this is to watch your hands.

Spin the poi forwards... when the right hand comes to cross to the left side (your turning left), your right hand passes over the left yes?.. here is where you turn your body 180 degrees and now your spinning in reverse.. the same works here too, but your hand passes underneath, as your hand crosses, turn 180 degrees with it.


For turning in the opposite direction, you just need to cross when the other hand is crossing and turn to other way.



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In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."

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fireflyfaerie
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  new 05/11/07 03:17 AM

helpp!
how can u tell the difference between 3 bt /4 bt nd 5 bt weave??? im confuzzled !


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PK_
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  new 05/11/07 06:43 AM

 Written by: fireflyfaerie


helpp!
how can u tell the difference between 3 bt /4 bt nd 5 bt weave??? im confuzzled !



Ok...

So 2 beats would be a single beat of one poi on your left sside and your right side and the same with the other poi with your arms crossing ifront of you.

3 beats... The poi on it's natural side (right hand, on the right side) makes a single rotation and then 2 rotations on its opposite side and visa versa with the other poi.

If you are un sure of how to do these, then please feel free to ask or do a search. I have explained a few last week just a few posts above this one.

4 beat, would mean that one of the poi would have to do 2 rotations on its natural side as well as the opposite side, this can be done with either hand... I'd recommend practising with both poi here has putting both together you get the 5 beat.

I hope you find that explanation useful, if not feel free to PM me or post again.

It really is recommended to search, as we have recently updated the forums to make things easy to find the information you require as most of these have been discussed a hundred times, but I don't mind helping and trying to explain again.

Good luck.

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In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
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accordracer
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  new 06/11/07 10:39 PM

I just attempted my first spin with home made glow poi. the testicle shots hurt a bit. I got it on video just to see what it looks like. I watched some of the vids of others and the instructionals a few weeks before. any tips on the easiest way to learn? I keep seeing socks or fuzzy poi, but I dont want to be afraid of getting hit by something heavy when Im spinning the real thing. though as I said I'm new and dont know much about the learning process.

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  new 07/11/07 12:13 AM

Lots of us spin with socks as we simply enjoy it. Not that it hurts that much less than with firepoi (says me as a girl) If you spin it fast I think anything will drop you into a whimpering heap on the ground.
Find a neargy gathering of people and find someone who can teach. Plus you get to meet lovely people.

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BurdaA
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  new 07/11/07 12:22 AM

Entirely up to you. Different people prefer different feeling poi. I only really use socks, but I know spinners who prefer flags, trails, ribbons, lightsticks etc.

To avoid any pain at all go for some nice soft fuzzy poi (I think there's some available in the HoP shop or make some of your own). The ribbon poi I've got are also very soft like tiny beanbags, with ribbons. I think you can find softer alternatives to most types of poi, except maybe lightsticks and firepoi, but someone'll correct me if I'm wrong.

But for me I've always kind of treated the pain as an incentive to not make mistakes. And besides, its not real pain is it? Unless you're using something real heavy, in which case stop .

Hope this helps

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PK_
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  new 07/11/07 04:34 AM

I would advise in learning with unlit fire poi once your accustomed to heavier poi, if your intentions are to eventually do poi with fire.

I'd only avoid beaming poi, as they really do hurt.

Tail poi are slow, they give you nice control to learn with, but can tangle really easily.

Socks with tenis balls are great and you can't really go wrong learning with them, it is just a case of finding what is comfortable for you.

I can't really advise on any thing that hasn't already been said so I shall leave it at that.

Good luck learning, and if you need any advice on beginners moves then feel free to ask.

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In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."

*Francois Couperin.


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